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<blockquote data-quote="Someone" data-source="post: 3337428" data-attributes="member: 5656"><p>First, that's not true. Robin didn't want to subvert the stablished order - he was perfectly happy with feudalism, and gladly took his rightful place as feudal lord (or would have, depending on the story). He fought against some corrupt and evil lords, something that even a paladin would have done, however using different methods. </p><p></p><p>Second, you're not addressing the gist of the matter. You said that Han was Neutral because he showed consistent behaviour and the ability to form long lasting personal relationships. The abscense of other clarification led me to think that your opinion was that this is an absolute: if your behaviour is consistent and you can form long lasting personal relationships (ever if it's with a lone wookie) then you're not chaotic. </p><p></p><p>I then pointed out another character, Robin Hood, whose behaviour is not only as consistent or more as Han's, but also formed even more long lasting personal relationships; and Robin is named as one of the archetypical Chaotic Good alingments. Addressing the later post where you said that Robin fought the stablished order, maybe he did, but only to replace a couple corrupt lords, where Han fought to overturn a galaxy-spanning empire and replace it with something else.</p><p></p><p>What I don't get of why CN characters somehow must be the most chaotic of all. Take Robin Hood again. When he was wronged, he forgot about the law and formed a band of bandits; that's Chaotic. He helped the poor commoneers by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor: that's Good. Now, take Robin and make him steal from the rich and keep it from himself. He cares about his own men, wouldn't betray them and would take pains to rescue them is neccesary. Also doesn't like to do unnecesary harm, but thinks that the poor can care for themselves. Since he's Chaotic, and shows the trais of neutrality in the evil-good axis as shown in the PHB, must be Neutral. But some think that if a CG ceases to be good, he becomes true neutral <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> </p><p></p><p>(For the record, I don't think Jack Sparrow was CN; since he doesn't hesitate to harm, betray or sacrifice close associates or for that matter everyone for personal gains, I'd say he's CE.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Someone, post: 3337428, member: 5656"] First, that's not true. Robin didn't want to subvert the stablished order - he was perfectly happy with feudalism, and gladly took his rightful place as feudal lord (or would have, depending on the story). He fought against some corrupt and evil lords, something that even a paladin would have done, however using different methods. Second, you're not addressing the gist of the matter. You said that Han was Neutral because he showed consistent behaviour and the ability to form long lasting personal relationships. The abscense of other clarification led me to think that your opinion was that this is an absolute: if your behaviour is consistent and you can form long lasting personal relationships (ever if it's with a lone wookie) then you're not chaotic. I then pointed out another character, Robin Hood, whose behaviour is not only as consistent or more as Han's, but also formed even more long lasting personal relationships; and Robin is named as one of the archetypical Chaotic Good alingments. Addressing the later post where you said that Robin fought the stablished order, maybe he did, but only to replace a couple corrupt lords, where Han fought to overturn a galaxy-spanning empire and replace it with something else. What I don't get of why CN characters somehow must be the most chaotic of all. Take Robin Hood again. When he was wronged, he forgot about the law and formed a band of bandits; that's Chaotic. He helped the poor commoneers by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor: that's Good. Now, take Robin and make him steal from the rich and keep it from himself. He cares about his own men, wouldn't betray them and would take pains to rescue them is neccesary. Also doesn't like to do unnecesary harm, but thinks that the poor can care for themselves. Since he's Chaotic, and shows the trais of neutrality in the evil-good axis as shown in the PHB, must be Neutral. But some think that if a CG ceases to be good, he becomes true neutral :confused: (For the record, I don't think Jack Sparrow was CN; since he doesn't hesitate to harm, betray or sacrifice close associates or for that matter everyone for personal gains, I'd say he's CE.) [/QUOTE]
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