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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 5916026" data-attributes="member: 5100"><p>I think the reason why the "assumed setting" thing worked in 1e was because of the legendary Gygaxian prose. He didn't consciously try to bake Greyhawk into the 1e books (so far as I know). He was just looking for examples to illustrate his points. I'd actually been playing for a couple of years before I picked up the Greyhawk box, and it never crossed my mind that you even <u>could</u> integrate all his examples into a single setting.</p><p></p><p>IMO, 4e's Point of Light setting failed at evoking the same muse because they put too much definition around the wrong things (political history, race origins, etc.) and not enough around the right things (monsters, magic items, etc.). Case in point: Tieflings. The origin story given is kinda neat, but there's enough specifics that it feels like the PHB says "this is what happened". The largest amount of fluff, as far as I recall, in 1e was around artifacts, which Gygax pretty much explicitly said, "Now, go make up your own."</p><p></p><p>I'd love to see some sort of implied setting in the core books, but it would need to be done gently. If used for anything other than just enough "salt" to add flavor, it won't work.</p><p></p><p>As far as using the Realms goes, I bought the gray box when it was released and consider that to be the best version of the setting. Of course, I found even that to walk a razor's edge between uninspired and goofy. While I won't begrudge anyone for releasing or buying a 5e FR setting book, I'm certainly going to skip 5e if I can't even escape the Realms in the core books.</p><p></p><p>Setting aside personal preference, I've finally come to realize that Greyhawk was due for retirement. I still love the original box and think it was one of the best settings ever put together, but it had aged enough that there were subtle version differences and even the hardcore fans were fans of different animals. IMO, Forgotten Realms has reached the same point (if not passed it). Some people are still annoyed by the Avatar Trilogy changes. I'm not sure what 2e --> 3e brought, but 4e brought the Spellplague, which is far more than Greyhawk ever suffered through. </p><p></p><p>Greyhawk is done. Krynn is done. Forgotten Realms is done. Let the nostalgia continue, but that's all there is. Eberron probably has another 5-10 years, then it's done, too. Better look for something new, guys.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 5916026, member: 5100"] I think the reason why the "assumed setting" thing worked in 1e was because of the legendary Gygaxian prose. He didn't consciously try to bake Greyhawk into the 1e books (so far as I know). He was just looking for examples to illustrate his points. I'd actually been playing for a couple of years before I picked up the Greyhawk box, and it never crossed my mind that you even [u]could[/u] integrate all his examples into a single setting. IMO, 4e's Point of Light setting failed at evoking the same muse because they put too much definition around the wrong things (political history, race origins, etc.) and not enough around the right things (monsters, magic items, etc.). Case in point: Tieflings. The origin story given is kinda neat, but there's enough specifics that it feels like the PHB says "this is what happened". The largest amount of fluff, as far as I recall, in 1e was around artifacts, which Gygax pretty much explicitly said, "Now, go make up your own." I'd love to see some sort of implied setting in the core books, but it would need to be done gently. If used for anything other than just enough "salt" to add flavor, it won't work. As far as using the Realms goes, I bought the gray box when it was released and consider that to be the best version of the setting. Of course, I found even that to walk a razor's edge between uninspired and goofy. While I won't begrudge anyone for releasing or buying a 5e FR setting book, I'm certainly going to skip 5e if I can't even escape the Realms in the core books. Setting aside personal preference, I've finally come to realize that Greyhawk was due for retirement. I still love the original box and think it was one of the best settings ever put together, but it had aged enough that there were subtle version differences and even the hardcore fans were fans of different animals. IMO, Forgotten Realms has reached the same point (if not passed it). Some people are still annoyed by the Avatar Trilogy changes. I'm not sure what 2e --> 3e brought, but 4e brought the Spellplague, which is far more than Greyhawk ever suffered through. Greyhawk is done. Krynn is done. Forgotten Realms is done. Let the nostalgia continue, but that's all there is. Eberron probably has another 5-10 years, then it's done, too. Better look for something new, guys. [/QUOTE]
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