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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6204593" data-attributes="member: 6681948">How great, popular and successful were super hero movies before the Iron Man/Avengers franchise?&nbsp; I look back on my own childhood, and remember the Hulk TV show and the Superman movies.&nbsp; Anything else was a Saturday morning cartoon or an old rerun (Adam West Batman, anyone?).&nbsp; LoTR did well, Harry Potter brought fantasy front and centre in the mainstream.&nbsp; What was the big Fantasy breakout hit before those?&nbsp; Hell, no one thought space opera and laser guns could make any money back in 1975...then someone made a movie that captured audience imaginations.I think both Hasbro and WoTC, as &quot;the big boys&quot;, are not happy with their market placement.&nbsp; Regardless of sales, if D&amp;D Next fails to solidly recapture the &quot;best selling RPG&quot; title, I think that may well spell a shelving (or continued sales, but limited or no new development) for D&amp;D as an RPG.&nbsp; Hasbro bought the first and best-selling RPG.&nbsp; Now their Coke has become Pepsi.Is this new?&nbsp; Not really.&nbsp; The Star Wars CCG was a top seller for Decipher, sometimes actually outselling Magic...then the license went to WoTC (ironically), and the new CCG tanked.&nbsp; The old one still has an active &quot;Players' Committee&quot;, more formal than any structure I'm aware of for old D&amp;D editions.&nbsp; The WoTC game?&nbsp; released 2002; hiatus in 2005.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6204593, member: 6681948"] How great, popular and successful were super hero movies before the Iron Man/Avengers franchise? I look back on my own childhood, and remember the Hulk TV show and the Superman movies. Anything else was a Saturday morning cartoon or an old rerun (Adam West Batman, anyone?). LoTR did well, Harry Potter brought fantasy front and centre in the mainstream. What was the big Fantasy breakout hit before those? Hell, no one thought space opera and laser guns could make any money back in 1975...then someone made a movie that captured audience imaginations. I think both Hasbro and WoTC, as "the big boys", are not happy with their market placement. Regardless of sales, if D&D Next fails to solidly recapture the "best selling RPG" title, I think that may well spell a shelving (or continued sales, but limited or no new development) for D&D as an RPG. Hasbro bought the first and best-selling RPG. Now their Coke has become Pepsi. Is this new? Not really. The Star Wars CCG was a top seller for Decipher, sometimes actually outselling Magic...then the license went to WoTC (ironically), and the new CCG tanked. The old one still has an active "Players' Committee", more formal than any structure I'm aware of for old D&D editions. The WoTC game? released 2002; hiatus in 2005. [/QUOTE]

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