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<blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 468404" data-attributes="member: 5724">CelebrimHave to agree with you.&nbsp; The only problems i tend to run into is that sooner of later a PC will cast detect spells.suddenly the issues you discuss, shallowness, perception etc.. (all vaild points in RL) leave the picture.&nbsp; and i'm left having to play a particular person without the advantages of shading/shallowness/perception/shifting loyalties depending upon situation etc.. bring to the role-playing process. It feels like someone just invited the half-ogre barbarian to the Royal Maquerade&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />personally i don't like the detect spells as i think they cause more damage to role-playing than their worth to the game.what do you do in those situations where you'd like to create some &quot;unknown&quot; information?&nbsp; I dont like to use the typical mask/misdirect detection magic as the PC's can simply mix and match to eventually get the information they need anyway.&nbsp; I'm thinking about just taking them out of the game and allowing anyone to kinda detect alignment from &quot;tingly emotion&quot;.&nbsp; but only the super-uber good and super-uber evil.joe b.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgbrowning, post: 468404, member: 5724"] [b]Celebrim[/b] Have to agree with you. The only problems i tend to run into is that sooner of later a PC will cast detect spells. suddenly the issues you discuss, shallowness, perception etc.. (all vaild points in RL) leave the picture. and i'm left having to play a particular person [i]without[/i] the advantages of shading/shallowness/perception/shifting loyalties depending upon situation etc.. bring to the role-playing process. It feels like someone just invited the half-ogre barbarian to the Royal Maquerade :) personally i don't like the detect spells as i think they cause more damage to role-playing than their worth to the game. what do you do in those situations where you'd like to create some "unknown" information? I dont like to use the typical mask/misdirect detection magic as the PC's can simply mix and match to eventually get the information they need anyway. I'm thinking about just taking them out of the game and allowing anyone to kinda detect alignment from "tingly emotion". but only the super-uber good and super-uber evil. joe b. [/QUOTE]

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