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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 470692" data-attributes="member: 4937">"Other people's alignments totally depend on what you believe."No.  They don't."You think it is well and good, I think it makes you evil and a heretic. I believe in something else. You think I am a heretic and evil, I believe that it is well and good. Who is the good and evil (or lawful and chaotic) one here?"The one that is good is the one that holds the correct opinion.  The correctness or incorrectness of this opinion is observed by observing the lives of the people that hold such opinions and the nature of the communities and nations that they build."Look at GWB. Ask a hundred people what GWB's alignment is. I guarantee you'll get completely different answers."Isn't that what I said?"And even if you knew what GWB's exact thoughts and beliefs were, would you still think of them as lawful or chaotic, good or evil?"That would depend on what his exact thoughts were.   If they were, for instance, "I know something that I cannot freely divulge to the American people.  The American people have charged me with protecting them and the Constitution.  To do so, I must make war, even though it will be very unpopular and perhaps cost me my Presidency.  Nonetheless, I have a sacred duty to them, that no great evil should befall them because of negligance on my part or out of my personal ambition.", then I would characterize them one way.  And, if they were quite different than above, I would characterize them another way.   That a few people would call black, white, or white, black, or that occassionally I myself am quite myopic doesn't change that black is black and white is white. As for your fantasy example, it is so shallow and trivial that it doesn't deserve an answer.   I don't see how reducing the effectiveness of divinations is even remotely like aboloshing the alignment system.  I've been playing RPG's for 20 years now, and I've come to the conclusion that all RPG's need an alignment system of some sort.</blockquote>

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