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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fred Delles" data-source="post: 474360" data-attributes="member: 3497">Celebrim: I think good and evil are a matter of opinion (thankfully, I'm with the status quo on what is good and what is evil), which is why I don't think the D&D alignment system is useful at all except in some sort of LotR or Dragonlance-style world. Wil's moral dilemmas and a game called "Scruples" are interesting in what everyone thinks as good and what everyone thinks as bad. No straight alignment system would help there.BTW, you haven't played the Forgotten Realms, haven't you? There are those "inherently evil" races and those that are quite mixed. You can be a "hard" NE (typical drow) or a "soft" NE (Viconia). Heck, you could stretch the alignment system so much that some acts could be argued as one way or the other. Few FR writers even deal with the alignment system, and far more power to them.When I created a FR campaign, I practically abolished the alignment system because it tended to get in the way of my characters. I had, for example, a feral elf race that killed and ate humans. Yet, they are kind to children, and never attack unless provoked. In fact, I had something similar to Wil's question #4 (the stuff on adultery) that had married elves able to have sex with other elves, as long as they keep faithful with their spouse (obviously, there is more to marriage than just sex). It was interesting to see how their characters acted when they heard (they critically thought, yeah, it is good in one way, bad in another, etc.), and not having an alignment system only made the argument more interesting.I tend not to agree with you because you say, "you can't stamp such-and-such as good and such-and-such as always evil", yet, you say, "We should keep the alignment system, and put some sort of alignment system in everything". I felt that those two statements are contradictory, that's all. We agree that D&D and some of its gamers do lousy with the alignment system (be it plot, etc.). We disagree whether or not we should keep/abolish the alignment system. I'll just keep it at that. Agree to disagree and all.mmadsen: Sorry for hijacking the thread, though if we twist or abolish the alignment system, D&D would provide some sort of decent moral compass, though not really one that you could learn compared to real life and the like.</blockquote>

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