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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CrimsonYaegar" data-source="post: 9007856" data-attributes="member: 7038925">Before reading this post, I did find in OLD pg 147 that armor would apply to things that target Vital defense as well, if my understanding is correct.The discussion with my friends that got me thinking about if VITAL bypassed soak is specifically the Strafe exploit, if it does 1D6 and that's soakable, it's a near useless universal on it's own because a kevlar longcoat is going to absorb all the damage unless a 6 is rolled, which would do 1 damage. Kind of the same with grenades that do a base of 2D6 Heat damage. Granted if it's used with the Deadly Strike universal as well, it gets an extra 1D6 damage since it can be combined, so on with other exploits that don't say they can't be combined with other exploits.I also don't think it would be considered an automatic hit because an attack has to target some kind of defense. With Strafe being a 15x15 ft area, it would target Vital defense because that's the defense that area of effects target, compared to Spray which specifies it targets Ranged defense even though it would normally target Vital defense due to it being an area of effect of a 30' cone. It makes most sense to me that Vital defense being targetted would bypass unless you had armor that had specific types of soak to the damage type (as to make things like the bomb suit not useless versus explosions) or use natural or otherwise special/magic soak, so it would only ignore the soak that general armor like Kevlar or Splint would give.If we applied that same automatic hit thing to something like the Disarm exploit, what would I be paying 3D6 from? Could I roll an intimidation or negotiaton check and pay 3D6 from that to use the Disarm exploit, or seeing as it's given as a option for Martial Artists, is it meant to be combat rolls specific since it has an AGI requirement, where I pay 3D6 from my attack pool? Does this also automatically hit even though it would be targetting their Defenses no matter how it was used? If it's considered to automatically work that would mean the roll using it would also automatically succeed, so they would either have been intimidated into giving themselves the Disarm condition which would have to be shaken off in addition to the Afraid condition, or that an attack would automatically do damage to said target, even if paying the 3D6 and rolling would fail to beat whatever Defense was being targetted, be it Melee or Ranged for an attack, Mental for Psycic or Intimidation, or Vital if it was an AoE like a grenade or spell cast.I will say I think Force is a weird choice for grenade damage since Force can affect ghosts. Heat damage is the base damage for most standard explosives, but there's also the sound of the explosion so I think Sonic would make more sense, but I'm not a DM so that's just my .02 grams of dirt.I just don't think an exploit overrules basic rules if it doesn't specify it changes something.Sorry for the wordiness, and I do thank you for sharing your thoughts.</blockquote>

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