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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Luce" data-source="post: 2649219" data-attributes="member: 29760">About the item creation. How would you treat  12L Wizzard  with 10 shield guardians.He is at 12CR, and has just using his feat granded abilities to create some "help".If he had not created the guardians he would have had 20000XP more(2000/guardian).In several sources, (ELH from the top of my head) some NPCs are rated at higher CR due to better than normal equipment.(Most of my players take care of the conhorts by lending them,items they do not longer need. "Here you can take my +3, flaming, holy sword, No, no need to thank me, I have a better one.)I persoanaly would not grand more XP for wizzard with wand, regardless how he got it. But if he gets 5-10 low-level magic users, (regardless with Leadership or Money) gives each a fireball wand and sets them against PCs, you bet they will increase the ECL. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> For the conhort example you you have granded XP if  the Big Bad  had hired the help(as presented in Arms and Armor)?(it cost him resorses some after all)At close, I urge the arguing sides to calm down. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />  I am sure that my arguments will not convince anybody, who is not already inclined to think like me. And I asure you, there is hardly anything you can reply that will make me change how I feel. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> The purpose of most people(IMO) who frequent this boards is to share ideas, not get involved into endless arguments(regardless how sound they may be) We already seen many convinsing arguments for both sides. Take you pick, if you find you are wrong take imediate steps to corect it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></blockquote>

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