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<blockquote data-quote="Matthias" data-source="post: 6053108" data-attributes="member: 3625">This is splitting hairs...&quot;Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character's perceptions.&quot;This ought to preclude, for example, an elf caster trying to lie to himself that those orcs behind the door won't attack on sight, because he still knows the truth that orcs are generally nasty creatures and would turn hostile if they were aware of him. This also depends on what is meant by &quot;foe&quot;. Does this mean currently having hostile intent, or the potential for it? Orcs could not harbor hostility toward a specific creature they aren't immediately aware of, but if orcs and elves generally don't get along, then the hostile intent may be present without the direct knowledge of the proximity of an elf caster, or even without any given orc currently dwelling on just how much they hate elves at that moment.I'd probably do what CroBob suggests-I would probably require some kind of die roll to drop the Detect Thoughts in time. Wisdom check, caster level check, Spellcraft check, something else?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Matthias, post: 6053108, member: 3625"] This is splitting hairs... "Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character's perceptions." This ought to preclude, for example, an elf caster trying to lie to himself that those orcs behind the door won't attack on sight, because he still knows the truth that orcs are generally nasty creatures and would turn hostile if they were aware of him. This also depends on what is meant by "foe". Does this mean currently having hostile intent, or the potential for it? Orcs could not harbor hostility toward a specific creature they aren't immediately aware of, but if orcs and elves generally don't get along, then the hostile intent may be present without the direct knowledge of the proximity of an elf caster, or even without any given orc currently dwelling on just how much they hate elves at that moment. I'd probably do what CroBob suggests- I would probably require some kind of die roll to drop the Detect Thoughts in time. Wisdom check, caster level check, Spellcraft check, something else? [/QUOTE]

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