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<blockquote data-quote="Krakenspire" data-source="post: 6789750" data-attributes="member: 6787754"><p>Yes Harry Potter is a good example of high fantasy as there are three subgenres of high fantasy,</p><p> </p><p>1- setting in which the primary world does not exist. That is, the primary is either separated from the setting entirely, or is separated from it by a great distance in space and/or time.</p><p>2 - The secondary/parallel world(s) is (are) entered through a portal from the primary world</p><p>3- A distinct world-within-a-world is part of the primary world</p><p></p><p>Tolkienian is high fantasy but its also the genre of <em><strong>epic fantasy</strong></em>. This is where people get confused. They think that lots of magic means high fantasy where as the term was coined directly.</p><p></p><p>For example the Song of Ice and Fire series is high fantasy that does away with the many of the epic fantasy elements. There is also quite a bit of sword and sorcery in the books as well (as it focuses less on world shattering threats and more on the individual struggles of people). And its kinda low magic (though getting more high magic with every book). </p><p></p><p>Its a bit of a convoluted argument as we could discuss about it for days with overlapping conflicting definitions. At the end of the day the phrase was coined by Lloyd Alexander in his essay "High Fantasy and Epic Romance". If you can find a link to that you can get the exact definition from the start of the term.</p><p></p><p>As for D&D, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, FR are great examples of high fantasy. Darksun is more sword and sorcery (as the world is already screwed), and Eberron is magic Pulp/Noir (cloak and dagger if you like).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Silver Flame <em><strong>itself is corrupted</strong></em>. The demon trapped inside it sometimes speaks for the Flame. That means even good followers of the Flame do bad things if the Flame speaks to them. Hence the entire Whispering Flame organization and the results of the Lycanthrope Purge led by the then Speaker who had ulterior motives to weaken Aundair before the Last War. The church itself condones lots of behaviour for over zealous followers because the Cardinals don't have to be good. Cardinal Krozen for example is LE and works to make himself the most powerful of the Cardinals. Not above assassination or blackmail that guy. The actual church is not good. It's like any monolithic religion in the real world. People want power, do what they need to get it, use religion as a cover.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Krakenspire, post: 6789750, member: 6787754"] Yes Harry Potter is a good example of high fantasy as there are three subgenres of high fantasy, 1- setting in which the primary world does not exist. That is, the primary is either separated from the setting entirely, or is separated from it by a great distance in space and/or time. 2 - The secondary/parallel world(s) is (are) entered through a portal from the primary world 3- A distinct world-within-a-world is part of the primary world Tolkienian is high fantasy but its also the genre of [I][B]epic fantasy[/B][/I]. This is where people get confused. They think that lots of magic means high fantasy where as the term was coined directly. For example the Song of Ice and Fire series is high fantasy that does away with the many of the epic fantasy elements. There is also quite a bit of sword and sorcery in the books as well (as it focuses less on world shattering threats and more on the individual struggles of people). And its kinda low magic (though getting more high magic with every book). Its a bit of a convoluted argument as we could discuss about it for days with overlapping conflicting definitions. At the end of the day the phrase was coined by Lloyd Alexander in his essay "High Fantasy and Epic Romance". If you can find a link to that you can get the exact definition from the start of the term. As for D&D, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, FR are great examples of high fantasy. Darksun is more sword and sorcery (as the world is already screwed), and Eberron is magic Pulp/Noir (cloak and dagger if you like). The Silver Flame [I][B]itself is corrupted[/B][/I]. The demon trapped inside it sometimes speaks for the Flame. That means even good followers of the Flame do bad things if the Flame speaks to them. Hence the entire Whispering Flame organization and the results of the Lycanthrope Purge led by the then Speaker who had ulterior motives to weaken Aundair before the Last War. The church itself condones lots of behaviour for over zealous followers because the Cardinals don't have to be good. Cardinal Krozen for example is LE and works to make himself the most powerful of the Cardinals. Not above assassination or blackmail that guy. The actual church is not good. It's like any monolithic religion in the real world. People want power, do what they need to get it, use religion as a cover. [/QUOTE]
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