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<blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 6387486" data-attributes="member: 40227"><p>You're absolutely right, but that's not the point I was making. My point was that Eagleworks did not just make a "progress report to NASA." They decided that their work was serious enough to take to other scientists, whether preliminary or not. When experimental groups present their work, they are saying, "we believe we did this correctly." They may go on and say that the results are preliminary, meaning "we haven't finished, so there might be some issue we haven't thought about, or the analysis we're still working on could change our conclusions" or whatever. But the important issue is that they went public with it, which means they think it should be taken seriously even if it's not finished. That's all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Clarke's Law is a sociological law, not inviolable. In particular, old curmudgeonly scientists have been poo-poo-ing perpetual motion machines for ages (something essentially the same as this) without being wrong yet. If I'm wrong on this, I'll happily chew my metaphorical foot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tesla (and Edison as well) was notable not for his scientific discoveries but for his inventions (engineering). He did in fact do some scientific research on X-rays, etc, but that's not what we remember him for. He was a brilliant engineer, but he didn't discover new physical laws. But, again, that's not the point I was making. The discussion of Tesla in this thread sounded to me like people felt Tesla made great inventions (and they were great) that relied on science that he and others didn't understand (they did not). And they certainly didn't contradict centuries' worth of data.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel like a downer in this thread and others, but it would be cooler to talk about science that actually has a hope of being right. I guess I should think to start a thread sometime!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="freyar, post: 6387486, member: 40227"] You're absolutely right, but that's not the point I was making. My point was that Eagleworks did not just make a "progress report to NASA." They decided that their work was serious enough to take to other scientists, whether preliminary or not. When experimental groups present their work, they are saying, "we believe we did this correctly." They may go on and say that the results are preliminary, meaning "we haven't finished, so there might be some issue we haven't thought about, or the analysis we're still working on could change our conclusions" or whatever. But the important issue is that they went public with it, which means they think it should be taken seriously even if it's not finished. That's all. Clarke's Law is a sociological law, not inviolable. In particular, old curmudgeonly scientists have been poo-poo-ing perpetual motion machines for ages (something essentially the same as this) without being wrong yet. If I'm wrong on this, I'll happily chew my metaphorical foot. Tesla (and Edison as well) was notable not for his scientific discoveries but for his inventions (engineering). He did in fact do some scientific research on X-rays, etc, but that's not what we remember him for. He was a brilliant engineer, but he didn't discover new physical laws. But, again, that's not the point I was making. The discussion of Tesla in this thread sounded to me like people felt Tesla made great inventions (and they were great) that relied on science that he and others didn't understand (they did not). And they certainly didn't contradict centuries' worth of data. I feel like a downer in this thread and others, but it would be cooler to talk about science that actually has a hope of being right. I guess I should think to start a thread sometime! [/QUOTE]
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