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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1275060" data-attributes="member: 892">I think where he's going with it is that the phb has a line under the negative level entry in the glossary: &quot;A loss of vital energy resulting from energy drain, spells, magic items, or magical effects.&quot;If one a) interprets the DMG talk of negative levels as only applying to negative levels due specifically to energy drain (because the &quot;wight&quot; effect of negative levels is only mentioned under the DMG entry entitled &quot;Energy Drain&quot;) and one b) hypothesizes that the PHB entry implies that there are non-energy drain sources of negative levels (namely &quot;spells, magic items, or magical effects&quot;) then one might assume that negative levels gained due to &quot;spells, magic items, or magical effects&quot;, and not to energy drain, might not have the &quot;wight&quot; effect.On the other hand, I think the assumption is that all versions of gaining negative levels lead to the &quot;wight&quot; effect if one has neg. levels equal to one's positive levels, barring specifically named exceptions that lead one to become some other undead beasty.&nbsp; This seems to be the strong implication under the DMG entry of energy drain.&nbsp; I suspect that if this matter is brought to the Sage's attention, the Sage would likely rule that all instances of negative levels equalling positive levels would lead to death, followed by the &quot;wight&quot; effect (unless there is some other beasty they turn into).&nbsp; It seems likely that a negative level is a negative level is a negative level.On bodaks -- I wonder what the stats are for &quot;absolute evil&quot;.&nbsp; Wasn't that stuff in the movie &quot;Time Bandits&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 1275060, member: 892"] I think where he's going with it is that the phb has a line under the negative level entry in the glossary: "A loss of vital energy resulting from energy drain, spells, magic items, or magical effects." If one a) interprets the DMG talk of negative levels as only applying to negative levels due specifically to energy drain (because the "wight" effect of negative levels is only mentioned under the DMG entry entitled "Energy Drain") and one b) hypothesizes that the PHB entry implies that there are non-energy drain sources of negative levels (namely "spells, magic items, or magical effects") then one might assume that negative levels gained due to "spells, magic items, or magical effects", and not to energy drain, might not have the "wight" effect. On the other hand, I think the assumption is that all versions of gaining negative levels lead to the "wight" effect if one has neg. levels equal to one's positive levels, barring specifically named exceptions that lead one to become some other undead beasty. This seems to be the strong implication under the DMG entry of energy drain. I suspect that if this matter is brought to the Sage's attention, the Sage would likely rule that all instances of negative levels equalling positive levels would lead to death, followed by the "wight" effect (unless there is some other beasty they turn into). It seems likely that a negative level is a negative level is a negative level. On bodaks -- I wonder what the stats are for "absolute evil". Wasn't that stuff in the movie "Time Bandits"? [/QUOTE]

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