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<blockquote data-quote="The_Universe" data-source="post: 1551988" data-attributes="member: 8944"><p></p><p> </p><p>But why was it attacking her? Not because it enjoyed attacking things (not evil is murder, btw). It was attacking her, because it was ordered to attack a caravan by his leader (who, by the way, was lawful good). I delight in difficult moral conundrums, and this was one of them. Neither the caravan being attacked, nor the refugees attacking them in this case were completely good or completely evil. Furthermore, the thing didn't attack her until she ran screaming at it with sword swinging. </p><p> </p><p>I tend to think that there are degrees of evil--so Yes, had this been a mind flayer, she would have been alright. But this was a sentient humanoid with the capacity for redemption. Mind Flayers aren't even walking the same path. </p><p> </p><p>Perhaps she might have gotten a clue when, out of 20-30 people attacking the caravan, only 5-10 pinged evil? </p><p> </p><p>See above re: mind flayers. And I apologize for allowing detect evil to detect people of the alignment. If I have so offended your sensibilities by allowing paladins a little extra power for their strict codes of conduct, than I apologize. As many DMs are wont to do, I do not always do everything BY THE BOOK. </p><p> </p><p>I think there is a misunderstanding, here. This was not a lone ninja, attacking out of the shadows, murdering for a piece of bread. This was an attack by 20-30 refugees against a caravan for 1) redress of earlier events, in which the caravan had done some not-nice things to the ninjas and refugees, and 2) food. </p><p> </p><p>How do you know the Caravan, or even the PCs, were innocent? These events didn't happen in a vacuum. By your logic, anybody fighting in a war would ping evil, because GI Joe across the trench never did anything to HIM in particular. </p><p> </p><p>Ninja wasn't the guy's class--it was the in-game description of what he looked like. All black clothes with a mask pulled up over his face. Furthermore, you have no IDEA why his alignment is evil. It MIGHT be because he's a murderer, but it also might not--not all evil things are killers, Tacky. </p><p> </p><p>Anyway, what you are essentially arguing is that she was justified in killing someone, who struck BACK at her after she charged him, because she mis-percieved the situation. It's not like I was trying to hide the extra details so that she would lose her paladin abilities--that's just asinine. Instead, I was setting up an important plot point, that has stuck with them throughout the campaign. </p><p> </p><p>I am sorry if I came off as a bit angry, but it was my game, and I don't like to see the way I run things attacked with so little regard for the entirety of the situation. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The_Universe, post: 1551988, member: 8944"] [b][/b] But why was it attacking her? Not because it enjoyed attacking things (not evil is murder, btw). It was attacking her, because it was ordered to attack a caravan by his leader (who, by the way, was lawful good). I delight in difficult moral conundrums, and this was one of them. Neither the caravan being attacked, nor the refugees attacking them in this case were completely good or completely evil. Furthermore, the thing didn't attack her until she ran screaming at it with sword swinging. I tend to think that there are degrees of evil--so Yes, had this been a mind flayer, she would have been alright. But this was a sentient humanoid with the capacity for redemption. Mind Flayers aren't even walking the same path. Perhaps she might have gotten a clue when, out of 20-30 people attacking the caravan, only 5-10 pinged evil? See above re: mind flayers. And I apologize for allowing detect evil to detect people of the alignment. If I have so offended your sensibilities by allowing paladins a little extra power for their strict codes of conduct, than I apologize. As many DMs are wont to do, I do not always do everything BY THE BOOK. I think there is a misunderstanding, here. This was not a lone ninja, attacking out of the shadows, murdering for a piece of bread. This was an attack by 20-30 refugees against a caravan for 1) redress of earlier events, in which the caravan had done some not-nice things to the ninjas and refugees, and 2) food. How do you know the Caravan, or even the PCs, were innocent? These events didn't happen in a vacuum. By your logic, anybody fighting in a war would ping evil, because GI Joe across the trench never did anything to HIM in particular. Ninja wasn't the guy's class--it was the in-game description of what he looked like. All black clothes with a mask pulled up over his face. Furthermore, you have no IDEA why his alignment is evil. It MIGHT be because he's a murderer, but it also might not--not all evil things are killers, Tacky. Anyway, what you are essentially arguing is that she was justified in killing someone, who struck BACK at her after she charged him, because she mis-percieved the situation. It's not like I was trying to hide the extra details so that she would lose her paladin abilities--that's just asinine. Instead, I was setting up an important plot point, that has stuck with them throughout the campaign. I am sorry if I came off as a bit angry, but it was my game, and I don't like to see the way I run things attacked with so little regard for the entirety of the situation. :( [/QUOTE]
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