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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5000641" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yes, it's a &quot;tax&quot; in name (by our &quot;gaming definitions&quot; we've all come up with over time), because many people feel they are forced to pay for it in order to maintain viability.&nbsp; But the question past that therefore becomes &quot;how big of a tax&quot;?&nbsp; And that's where your point is absolutely correct.1 feat out of 17 is practically negligable.&nbsp; It means very little.&nbsp; It's like getting charged an extra penny per gallon of gas in order to help pay for new bridge construction.&nbsp; Yes, some people will get all up in arms because ANY tax to them (regardless of amount) is just WRONG... but for most people, it's a pittance and barely noticeable.The irony of all of this (which I mentioned in another thread) is that the same people who feel as though Expertise is a &quot;tax&quot; they are forced to pay in order to maintain a statistically-useful character (or &quot;optimized&quot; character, if we want to be more brusque)... are the people who wouldn't spend the available feat on &quot;roleplay-esque&quot; feats even if they had the slot available.&nbsp; They'd use that available slot on more &quot;optimized&quot; feats!&nbsp; So their realy complaint is not that they &quot;no longer have options&quot;... but rather they &quot;no longer can be AS optimized as they should be.&quot;After all... do you really think there is anyone out there saying &quot;You know... I WISH I could take that Linguist feat to really make my character the way I want it to be... but I CAN'T... because EVIL WOTC... is forcing me to take an Expertise feat!&quot;.The answer of course, is 'no'.&nbsp; Those who want the Linguist feat for roleplay purposes are not going to give up on it to take the Expertise feats.&nbsp; They're going to take Linguist anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5000641, member: 7006"] Yes, it's a "tax" in name (by our "gaming definitions" we've all come up with over time), because many people feel they are forced to pay for it in order to maintain viability. But the question past that therefore becomes "how big of a tax"? And that's where your point is absolutely correct. 1 feat out of 17 is practically negligable. It means very little. It's like getting charged an extra penny per gallon of gas in order to help pay for new bridge construction. Yes, some people will get all up in arms because ANY tax to them (regardless of amount) is just WRONG... but for most people, it's a pittance and barely noticeable. The irony of all of this (which I mentioned in another thread) is that the same people who feel as though Expertise is a "tax" they are forced to pay in order to maintain a statistically-useful character (or "optimized" character, if we want to be more brusque)... are the people [I]who wouldn't spend the available feat on "roleplay-esque" feats[/I] even if they had the slot available. They'd use that available slot on more "optimized" feats! So their realy complaint is not that they "no longer have options"... but rather they "no longer can be [B]AS[/B] optimized as they should be." After all... do you really think there is anyone out there saying "You know... I WISH I could take that Linguist feat to really make my character the way I want it to be... but I CAN'T... because EVIL WOTC... is forcing me to take an Expertise feat!". The answer of course, is 'no'. Those who want the Linguist feat for roleplay purposes are not going to give up on it to take the Expertise feats. They're going to take Linguist anyway. [/QUOTE]

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