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<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 5000816" data-attributes="member: 14197">In the absence of a flaw, yes the feat is really powerful all by itself.I am not debating the way the power curve works and there's a clear &quot;hop&quot; in monster defenses in Paragon and Epic.&nbsp; I see and acknowledge it.Taking the &quot;pay-twice&quot; issue into consideration, I agree the Expertise class of feats were a short-sighted design.&nbsp; But maybe it is the separation of weapon and implement that is the design flaw.&nbsp; Maybe a weapon/implement distinction and the classes that depend upon both are the flaw instead. Bad at math and ignorance of the newer feat fixes (because there isn't a DDI sub or new books in the gaming group) are an understandable concern.Maybe the overly vociferous statements by people saying math isn't broken are a reaction to feeling like they are told their PCs suck if they don't take the feat(s).I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but I am simply musing about the idea of whether, in the absence of Expertise feats if a single feat makes that much of a difference.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 5000816, member: 14197"] In the absence of a flaw, yes the feat is really powerful all by itself. I am not debating the way the power curve works and there's a clear "hop" in monster defenses in Paragon and Epic. I see and acknowledge it. Taking the "pay-twice" issue into consideration, I agree the Expertise class of feats were a short-sighted design. But maybe it is the separation of weapon and implement that is the design flaw. Maybe a weapon/implement distinction and the classes that depend upon both are the flaw instead. Bad at math and ignorance of the newer feat fixes (because there isn't a DDI sub or new books in the gaming group) are an understandable concern. Maybe the overly vociferous statements by people saying math isn't broken are a reaction to feeling like they are told their PCs suck if they don't take the feat(s). I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but I am simply musing about the idea of whether, in the absence of Expertise feats if a single feat makes that much of a difference. [/QUOTE]

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