Does False Live Stack with Itself

[fiverdown]

From the PH same effect more than once in different strengths (p172)

When 2 spell effects affect the same target only the stronger one works.

Ok with false life say you are a lvl 4 Sorc.
You cast false life twice. Rolling a 1 and a 10
You have 2 false lifes One for 5 and one for 14

Once the strong one gets weaker than the Origional weaker one, the weaker one will
take over.

Hence I'm thinking false life stacks with it self.

I think this logic would work with Vamp Touch also.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I believe you are correct, except that the better spell doesn't get "weaker" before terminating. However, once all of the temporary hit points from the better spell have been used up, its duration ends and the lesser spell is still there. So it's effectively the same thing.

I'm not sure that was the intent, but that's the RAW.

 

[Sejs]

It does not. Can't gain a benefit multiple times from an identical source; no stacking False Life with False Life, no multi-raging, etc.

You'd gain the benefit from the highest value False Life. Any others would not lie quiescent until activated as you've suggested, they'd just be overwritten.

 

[Caliban]

From the PH same effect more than once in different strengths (p172)

When 2 spell effects affect the same target only the stronger one works.

Ok with false life say you are a lvl 4 Sorc.
You cast false life twice. Rolling a 1 and a 10
You have 2 false lifes One for 5 and one for 14

Once the strong one gets weaker than the Origional weaker one, the weaker one will
take over.

Hence I'm thinking false life stacks with it self.

I think this logic would work with Vamp Touch also.

Both "False Life" spells are in effect at the same time, but they overlap. If you take 5 points of damage, it it deducted from both of the spells.

There is very little benefit from having multiple castings of it on you (other than as Dispel Magic protection).

 

[fiverdown]

Hey Caliban.

Where did you get this information?
Aka, they both take damage.

I'm also thinking of possible rule abuses with Mirror Immage.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Where did you get this information?
Aka, they both take damage.

By virtue of them overlapping. If the spells do not stack then either one spell needs to not exist at all (at which point this question becomes obvious as there's only one spell remaining) or they both exist and function in an overlapping manner -- i.e. both have the damage subtracted at the same time.

 

[fiverdown]

Ok, I can see two false life overlapping and only getting the better one, but both taking damage.
Aka, no blatent abuses and Ftr/Src with 101 temp HP.

Now thinking about mirror image.

If the same thought applies
you have a mirror image with 2 images
and a mirror image with 5 images

they overlap soo the weaker mirror image spell has two images that are
also part of the stronger spell.

Hence once the stronger one is dispelled via images getting knocked out,
the weaker one will of already had it's images destroyed and not kick
in with 2 images.

Confirmation please.
Thanx

 

[Peter Gibbons]

If the spells do not stack then either one spell needs to not exist at all (at which point this question becomes obvious as there's only one spell remaining) or they both exist and function in an overlapping manner -- i.e. both have the damage subtracted at the same time.

Your conclusion (that damage is subtracted from both spells at the same time) does not follow. Consider resist energy and protection from energy, which overlap and do not stack with each other. If my protection from energy (fire) spell has 5 points of protection left and my resist energy (fire) spell gives me fire resistance 10, and I get hit with a fireball for 25 points of damage, how much damage do I actually take?

If the damage is applied to both spells simultaneously, I'd take 15, making the protection from energy (fire) spell irrelevant--but that's clearly not the intent, because the spell states that it "absorbs damage until its power is exhausted." So what should happen is that the protection from energy spell absorbs 5 points of damage and is exhausted, at which point the resist energy spell (which has been laying "beneath" the protection from energy spell until now) kicks in and reduces the 20 remaining points of damage to 10.

If anyone can point to a clear example in the RAW of the same point(s) of damage being applied twice to a particular target, please do so.

 

[Thanee]

Your conclusion (that damage is subtracted from both spells at the same time) does not follow. Consider resist energy and protection from energy, which overlap and do not stack with each other. If my protection from energy (fire) spell has 5 points of protection left and my resist energy (fire) spell gives me fire resistance 10, and I get hit with a fireball for 25 points of damage, how much damage do I actually take?

15 and the Protection from Energy is gone.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Infiniti2000]

Consider resist energy and protection from energy, which overlap and do not stack with each other.

Your analogy is not relevant because these two spells have rules on how to function together. They are not the same effect; they are different effects that operate together in a special way.

If anyone can point to a clear example in the RAW of the same point(s) of damage being applied twice to a particular target, please do so.

Your request also is not relevant. No one is saying that damage is applied twice to a target. The damage is applied only once, but both of the false life spells react to the damage.

Now, please explain to me why my conclusion does not follow and then explain how the two spells cannot stack.