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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 3186932" data-attributes="member: 5171">In D&D, as it exists, it's at "Mostly" for me. It's not the only source of fun, but it's hard to have fun without it.Caveats: If you're playing d20 Modern or Grim Tales, you're not playing D&D. I'm talking about core-rules, by-the-book D&D.Treasure is the main way I get more powerful, for almost all character classes. Treasure is what lets me know I'm gonna be able to take down the bad guy, because now I've got the sword that can take that big bad guy. Treasure expands the possibilities for what I can do, opening up gameplay options that my character class doesn't have on its own -- whether that means doing X at all or doing X more times per day.I do roleplay, and I do have a character concept, and those are both very important to me -- but treasure is what affects my character sheet by modifying my attacks, my damage, my skills, and, well, everything else. Crunch is fun, and the crunch of "Hey, cool, this sword increases my AC!" is a nice way to pass the time between levels.Treasure, in fact, enables roleplaying in some ways. Watching the looks on the faces of everyone else at the table when I suggested that the big pile of loot we'd just found should be given to the victims of the orcs' families was fantastic. If it'd just been some dead orcs and their cooking fire, an entire discussion about what we should take, what we should donate, and what we should try to find the rightful owners for would never have happened. (Note: I was playing a rogue at the time, and this suggestion made jaws drop. A lot of people still confuse rogue with thief.)Treasure isn't the end-all and be-all. But frankly, if I'm playing in a game with rules and numbers, I need something that expands my own rules and increases my own numbers in order to compete with the bad guys. It's fun from the hoarder's perspective, it's fun from the powergamer's perspective, it's fun from the exploration guy's perspective ("I've never seen a rod that does ____ before. I wonder if I can make it useful?"), and, if done right, it's fun from the roleplayer's perspective as well.D&D without treasure approaches the point of not being D&D at all. That's not necessarily bad -- I'm running Grim Tales, not D&D, at the moment, because I didn't want to track treasure as rigorously -- but because the poll question specifically said D&D, I think you've got to give treasure its due.</blockquote>

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