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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 1177749" data-attributes="member: 5834">reI believe all it does is give a standard action surprise round where the opponent is flat-footed. You are not actually invisible, but if the enemy fails a spot check they are unaware of you. That is how I run it.If a person sneaks into a room without cover, then I decide whether the individual in the room has his back turned or not. If there back is turned, then I allow a Move Silently check opposed by a Listen check to sneak up on the person. I don't give invisibility bonuses for Hide. Hide and Move Silently gain surprise. Invisibility bonuses are given even if the person is fully aware of you. With Hide and Move Silently, they generally have to be unaware of you for them to be effective. At least that is how I run it.</blockquote>