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<blockquote data-quote="Traveon Wyvernspur" data-source="post: 5978385" data-attributes="member: 73201"><p>If you read the RAW I posted above, you actually do get the benefit. The example is the 1 1/2x str bonus for using a longsword in 2 hands just like using a falchion or greatsword in 2 hands gets this bonus. </p><p></p><p>The main difference between the 2 handed larger swords and the 1 handed longsword is the weight. </p><p></p><p>Here is what I'm talking about under the section of Light, One-handed, and Two-handed melee weapons:</p><p>"<strong><u>This designation is a measure of how much effort it takes to wield a weapon in combat.</u></strong> It indicates whether a melee weapon, when wielded by a character of the weapon's size category, is considered a light weapon, a one-handed weapon, or a two-handed weapon."</p><p></p><p>It takes LESS effort to wield a 1-handed weapon with 2 hands than a 2-handed weapon with 1 hand, hence there is no penalty for basically downgrading by using a 1-handed weapon with 2 hands as a 2-handed weapon. The opposite is true if you try to wield a 2-handed weapon with 1 hand - it's a GREATER effort and then you incur penalties for doing so and need to grab specific feats and/or archetypes to lower or get rid of these penalties.</p><p></p><p>Now lets look at the two feats that were brought up:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-of-swings-combat" target="_blank">Shield of Swings</a> - When you take a full-attack action while wielding a two-handed weapon... This one I can see someone perhaps saying you need to have a specific weapon, but I'd still allow it because for all intents and purposes, you are using a two-handed weapon because you've stated that you are using your longsword as such. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pushing-assault-combat" target="_blank">Pushing Assault</a> - When you hit a creature your size or smaller with a<strong> two-handed weapon attack modified by the Power Attack feat</strong>... It doesn't say "two-handed weapon" alone, it says "two-handed weapon ATTACK," which means you CAN ATTACK with a 1-handed weapon in 2 hands.</p><p></p><p>I interpret the RAW to allow someone to use the 1h weapon in 2h for feats even if it isn't <em>specifically written down</em> - because for the purposes that you are using the longsword in 2 hands - it is indeed a 2-handed weapon that complies with all the prerequisites that you need (i.e. you are using it with 2 hands and are allowed to do so per the RAW!). </p><p></p><p>My only caveat is that in any game it is always up to the GM (Rule 0) on their interpretation of what the rule(s) mean and what should be allowed or disallowed. I can see how this could go either way depending on how you read it and if it isn't specific enough for someone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Traveon Wyvernspur, post: 5978385, member: 73201"] If you read the RAW I posted above, you actually do get the benefit. The example is the 1 1/2x str bonus for using a longsword in 2 hands just like using a falchion or greatsword in 2 hands gets this bonus. The main difference between the 2 handed larger swords and the 1 handed longsword is the weight. Here is what I'm talking about under the section of Light, One-handed, and Two-handed melee weapons: "[B][U]This designation is a measure of how much effort it takes to wield a weapon in combat.[/U][/B] It indicates whether a melee weapon, when wielded by a character of the weapon's size category, is considered a light weapon, a one-handed weapon, or a two-handed weapon." It takes LESS effort to wield a 1-handed weapon with 2 hands than a 2-handed weapon with 1 hand, hence there is no penalty for basically downgrading by using a 1-handed weapon with 2 hands as a 2-handed weapon. The opposite is true if you try to wield a 2-handed weapon with 1 hand - it's a GREATER effort and then you incur penalties for doing so and need to grab specific feats and/or archetypes to lower or get rid of these penalties. Now lets look at the two feats that were brought up: [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-of-swings-combat"]Shield of Swings[/URL] - When you take a full-attack action while wielding a two-handed weapon... This one I can see someone perhaps saying you need to have a specific weapon, but I'd still allow it because for all intents and purposes, you are using a two-handed weapon because you've stated that you are using your longsword as such. [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/pushing-assault-combat"]Pushing Assault[/URL] - When you hit a creature your size or smaller with a[B] two-handed weapon attack modified by the Power Attack feat[/B]... It doesn't say "two-handed weapon" alone, it says "two-handed weapon ATTACK," which means you CAN ATTACK with a 1-handed weapon in 2 hands. I interpret the RAW to allow someone to use the 1h weapon in 2h for feats even if it isn't [I]specifically written down[/I] - because for the purposes that you are using the longsword in 2 hands - it is indeed a 2-handed weapon that complies with all the prerequisites that you need (i.e. you are using it with 2 hands and are allowed to do so per the RAW!). My only caveat is that in any game it is always up to the GM (Rule 0) on their interpretation of what the rule(s) mean and what should be allowed or disallowed. I can see how this could go either way depending on how you read it and if it isn't specific enough for someone. [/QUOTE]
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