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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MG.0" data-source="post: 6706618" data-attributes="member: 6799436">*facepalm*This has gotten so far off topic it's ridiculous. It started from a tangential remark about how a character in heavy armor might still sometimes need a decent dexterity.Who said it was hidden? I explicitly said I don't use save or die traps placed to catch unwary characters. That seems to be your hangup.I'll give you an example, though I doubt you'll read it as you seem determined to misunderstand what I am saying. In a recent game I had a bottomless pit in the center of a dungeon room. On the opposite side was a golden statue with one arm palm upturned pointing at the party. Water ran forcefully from knee-high gratings around the edge and into the pit. Crossing recklessly would involve walking through rushing knee-high water on a slick stone ledge. Yes, that is a DEX save or die situation. Did I railroad the players into it? No. There were multiple ways to avoid the save. First, I knew there was a spellcaster with levitate. They could have crossed and tied a rope off allowing everyone to make the crossing without a save. They could also have found the hidden lever (on their side) which closes the grates and shuts off the supply of water. Finally they could devise a way to put a weight into the statue's hand, or merely pull it downward, either directly or with a thrown and weighted rope if they couldn't figure out a way across. As it turns out, the sorcerer in the group considered spider climb before using misty step (two alternatives I hadn't even considered) and pulled the statue's arm. Pulling the statue's arm closed a grating above the pit, allowing the water to flow harmlessly.That is how it is done.Sounds like you've had a bad DM at some point.A really bad DM.Good lord. A horrible DM.Now you're just being insulting. I imagine you are one of these kinds of players:DM: You stand before a small lake of bubbling lava. You can see a small island of rock about thirty feet from shore with a large glittering ruby floating above it.You:  I run across the lava and grab the gem.DM: You are dead.You: What? Why?!DM: Dude, you deliberately stepped...no...ran into lava.You: But look how many hitpoints I have!DM: Not any more.You: What about my armor?!DM: Why do you think that would make any difference at all?You: You didn't even let me make a save! You're being unfair!DM: Saves are for when you are trying to avoid something. You ran headlong into a lake of lava on purpose.You: But...DM: You are dead. What is everyone else doing?Party (in unison): Not running into the lava!</blockquote>

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