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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4868049" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>Ah, sorry if that sounded malicious or negative. I just figured it was the quickest way to make the point instead of re-stating what you'd written. Looking back, I guess it comes across as pretty brusque.</p><p></p><p>Actually as a rogue, it's more likely to be +2d8 - backstabber is one of the best damaging feats you can pick up. Additionally there's the hit bonus, which adds even more (+2 normally, +3 if you get nimble blade, which is also probably a good idea).</p><p></p><p>According to monster stats, piercing strike averages out to around +3 to hit...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally I think it's a good idea to choose EITHER sly flourish OR piercing strike. At heroic, and assuming that +3 average, sly flourish does slightly more damage, plus it can be used at range and works even when you don't have CA (the damage benefit of piercing strike relies on you doing sneak attack).</p><p></p><p>At paragon the two draw roughly even, and at epic piercing strike is the better of the two (lack of CA and ranged ability notwithstanding).</p><p></p><p>That said, that is using the assumption that you'll only have one OR the other. If you can have both, then you'll end up with an edge: how much of an edge depends on exactly what monsters you fight though, and personally I think it falls short of being able to combine movement and an attack into a single action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 4868049, member: 5890"] Ah, sorry if that sounded malicious or negative. I just figured it was the quickest way to make the point instead of re-stating what you'd written. Looking back, I guess it comes across as pretty brusque. Actually as a rogue, it's more likely to be +2d8 - backstabber is one of the best damaging feats you can pick up. Additionally there's the hit bonus, which adds even more (+2 normally, +3 if you get nimble blade, which is also probably a good idea). According to monster stats, piercing strike averages out to around +3 to hit... Personally I think it's a good idea to choose EITHER sly flourish OR piercing strike. At heroic, and assuming that +3 average, sly flourish does slightly more damage, plus it can be used at range and works even when you don't have CA (the damage benefit of piercing strike relies on you doing sneak attack). At paragon the two draw roughly even, and at epic piercing strike is the better of the two (lack of CA and ranged ability notwithstanding). That said, that is using the assumption that you'll only have one OR the other. If you can have both, then you'll end up with an edge: how much of an edge depends on exactly what monsters you fight though, and personally I think it falls short of being able to combine movement and an attack into a single action. [/QUOTE]
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