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<blockquote data-quote="EATherrian" data-source="post: 4476816" data-attributes="member: 30981">I agree here.&nbsp; If I were to do a Greyhawk campaign today, I would use the '83 box as my basis.Ugh.&nbsp; I really don't like 4E Forgotten Realms.&nbsp; Most of the regions I liked are gone.&nbsp; Not moved to Abeir but just gone.&nbsp; Again I'd go back to the 1e stuff as a basis if I were to run a campaign here.I did not like this either, but Mystara does have the one positive example of forwarding the timeline: Karameikos.&nbsp; In the boxed set they showed a Karameikos that had grown a few decades and how it was settling.&nbsp; I think it's the only forwarding that I like.Wholeheartedly agree here.Novels are the death of game worlds.&nbsp; They destroyed FR and they destroyed DS.&nbsp; The only thing they didn't destroy was Ravenloft because it was so open and fluid anyway, but I'd still have to ignore many of the novels.Ugh.&nbsp; Don't remind me of that.&nbsp; Interesting idea, very bad implementation.I've never played Vampire et. al. but I read a lot of them and if anything is an example of drowning in metaplot this is it. Overall I agree with you.&nbsp; The question is how to keep a world fresh for newcomers but retain the charm that old-timers enjoy.&nbsp; I haven't figured that out yet, and don't think anyone else has either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EATherrian, post: 4476816, member: 30981"] I agree here. If I were to do a Greyhawk campaign today, I would use the '83 box as my basis. Ugh. I really don't like 4E Forgotten Realms. Most of the regions I liked are gone. Not moved to Abeir but just gone. Again I'd go back to the 1e stuff as a basis if I were to run a campaign here. I did not like this either, but Mystara does have the one positive example of forwarding the timeline: Karameikos. In the boxed set they showed a Karameikos that had grown a few decades and how it was settling. I think it's the only forwarding that I like. Wholeheartedly agree here. Novels are the death of game worlds. They destroyed FR and they destroyed DS. The only thing they didn't destroy was Ravenloft because it was so open and fluid anyway, but I'd still have to ignore many of the novels. Ugh. Don't remind me of that. Interesting idea, very bad implementation. I've never played Vampire et. al. but I read a lot of them and if anything is an example of drowning in metaplot this is it. Overall I agree with you. The question is how to keep a world fresh for newcomers but retain the charm that old-timers enjoy. I haven't figured that out yet, and don't think anyone else has either. [/QUOTE]

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