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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4476835" data-attributes="member: 463">Karameikos - being a politics/history buff, I have a hang-up over the politics.&nbsp; I can accept all kinds of Mystaran weirdness, but I can't accept the premise that Karameikos is (a) ruled by Thyatian settlers and (b) independent of Thyatis.&nbsp; In the absence of a war of independence, it just goes against human nature and makes no sense to me that Emperor Thincol, head of an expansionist empire, would grant complete independence to a territory on his doorstep.&nbsp; Making Stefan a Grand Duke within the Empire, fine.&nbsp; Freedom from taxation, fine.&nbsp; Ejecting the Grand Duchy from the Empire, not fine. I can't think of any historical parrallel for what's described as having occurred.&nbsp; &quot;Who lost Karameikos?&quot; would be the cry - Thincol's prestige would be massively damaged in the Senate and with the Mob.And anyway, Thyatis is vastly more powerful than Karameikos; the first thing it would do to a weak, independent, neutral state on its doorstep, is invade.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 4476835, member: 463"] Karameikos - being a politics/history buff, I have a hang-up over the politics. I can accept all kinds of Mystaran weirdness, but I can't accept the premise that Karameikos is (a) ruled by Thyatian settlers and (b) independent of Thyatis. In the absence of a war of independence, it just goes against human nature and makes no sense to me that Emperor Thincol, head of an expansionist empire, would grant complete independence to a territory on his doorstep. Making Stefan a Grand Duke within the Empire, fine. Freedom from taxation, fine. Ejecting the Grand Duchy from the Empire, not fine. I can't think of any historical parrallel for what's described as having occurred. "Who lost Karameikos?" would be the cry - Thincol's prestige would be massively damaged in the Senate and with the Mob. And anyway, Thyatis is vastly more powerful than Karameikos; the first thing it would do to a weak, independent, neutral state on its doorstep, is invade. :erm: [/QUOTE]

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