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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dracandross" data-source="post: 3431709" data-attributes="member: 40392">By the rules 5k exp is needed but in the spirit of awarding XP its not. Unless campaing is ending on Mr. T it's not really rewarding for player to nail it. Id say you have few options:1) Provide NPC or scroll to avoid one PC losing exp2) Provide storyexp award for caster worth of 5k exp (specially as T is cr 20 and just getting it down is defeat of challenge, but killing it is a bit more)3) Make it more 'ritualisitic' wish/miracle and charge exp out of whole group evenly4) Let caster get some non-exp reward that will be equal in players mind compared to exp5) Be fair DM and say it's exp free after they have casted it and someone has pondered about the loss.-Dracandross</blockquote>