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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5586063" data-attributes="member: 71571">When a power creates a secondary power, then you'd be using that second power.&nbsp; Secondary powers have their own usages, parameters etc.&nbsp; The action taking with a secondary power is, in fact, the Use a Power action listed in the rules.Secondary Attacks, however, are not secondary powers.&nbsp; They do not use the Use a Power action, but use an action unique to that secondary attack.&nbsp; If the attack is ranged or area, however, it will provoke OAs, because OAs are provoked by ranged or area powers OR attacks.No, you're using a second power.&nbsp; This is actually covered in the essentials rules, but even in previous powers that did it (warden's guardian forms) it tells you flat out that you're able to use a seperate distinct power.&nbsp; If the primary power says you can use a second power, it's obvious you can use a second power, cause it says that directly.Secondary powers are themselves powers, according to the rules, and according to the power that creates them.&nbsp; You're using an Area power.&nbsp; It provokes.&nbsp; You're making an area attack.&nbsp; It provokes.&nbsp; You have two reasons why it provokes.&nbsp;Sure it is.&nbsp; Delayed Blast Fireball follows the template of 'does this trigger' to a T.&nbsp; The acid test is:Did an enemy leave an adjacent space?Did an enemy use an area or ranged power?Did an enemy make an area or ranged attack?So long as it satisfies one, it provokes.&nbsp; Delayed Blast Fireball satisfies two.&nbsp; Or are you suggesting a secondary power is not a power?I don't disagree with that, as if you apply the rule correctly, it's clear as day it provokes.I don't disagree with that either, but it is not the act of sustaining that provokes, it is the act of making those ranged or area attacks.&nbsp; No attacks, no provoke.&nbsp; Yes attacks, yes provoke.&nbsp; This is why moving a conjuration does not provoke, because it is not an enemy leaving a square, you're not using a power, and you're not making an attack.It is actually&nbsp; very cut and dry:&nbsp; IF A or B or C, then D.Also, let's not pretend Use a Power isn't a distinct action listed in the rules.&nbsp; It is as defined an action as Charge, Delay, Walk, or what have you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5586063, member: 71571"] When a power creates a secondary power, then you'd be using that second power. Secondary powers have their own usages, parameters etc. The action taking with a secondary power is, in fact, the Use a Power action listed in the rules. Secondary Attacks, however, are not secondary powers. They do not use the Use a Power action, but use an action unique to that secondary attack. If the attack is ranged or area, however, it will provoke OAs, because OAs are provoked by ranged or area powers OR attacks. No, you're using a second power. This is actually covered in the essentials rules, but even in previous powers that did it (warden's guardian forms) it tells you flat out that you're able to use a seperate distinct power. If the primary power says you can use a second power, it's obvious you can use a second power, cause it says that directly. Secondary powers are themselves powers, according to the rules, and according to the power that creates them. You're using an Area power. It provokes. You're making an area attack. It provokes. You have two reasons why it provokes. Sure it is. Delayed Blast Fireball follows the template of 'does this trigger' to a T. The acid test is: Did an enemy leave an adjacent space? Did an enemy use an area or ranged power? Did an enemy make an area or ranged attack? So long as it satisfies one, it provokes. Delayed Blast Fireball satisfies two. Or are you suggesting a secondary power is not a power? I don't disagree with that, as if you apply the rule correctly, it's clear as day it provokes. I don't disagree with that either, but it is not the act of sustaining that provokes, it is the act of making those ranged or area attacks. No attacks, no provoke. Yes attacks, yes provoke. This is why moving a conjuration does not provoke, because it is not an enemy leaving a square, you're not using a power, and you're not making an attack. It is actually very cut and dry: IF A or B or C, then D. Also, let's not pretend Use a Power isn't a distinct action listed in the rules. It is as defined an action as Charge, Delay, Walk, or what have you. [/QUOTE]

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