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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9539916" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I getcha.  Though their initiative cleanup and unarmed combat cleanup did make those sub-systems much more comprehensible and rational.[raises hand] I started with Mentzer Basic and then Cook/Marsh Expert, a copy of Supp I: Greyhawk a friend of my parents gave me, and pretty quickly at least one AD&D 1E book (which might have been Unearthed Arcana), but sometime after getting my Basic and Expert books I started reading Dragon and pouring through statements by Gary and others to sort out and differentiate them and figure out why stuff didn't line up quite right or some books had different and additional weapon and spell and monster stats.At the beginning of the OSR Dragonsfoot was very firm about (and still is branded as) being the home of 1st edition AD&D, and 2E was definitely seen, for at least another ten years, as a newer-school, Williams-tainted, encroacher.  Permitted in its own sub-forum but with clear boundary lines drawn. It didn't earn 3E's epithet of TETSNBN (The Edition That Shall Not be Named) or 4E's YAETSNBN, but not really the purestrain original stuff.</blockquote>