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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 9666245" data-attributes="member: 2205">Same. That said, the letters in the OSR shouldn't be taken too literally. It's not just a revival of anything old school; it's a movement that was specifically created to make older versions of D&D available again (in retroclone form) and enable the printing of new material compatible with those old rules. It doesn't surprise me that people like more older games than D&D, but that's a parallel movement to the OSR, which was always about... specifically... D&D. And it's worth observing, as I think it was you who said, we're in a post OSR stage. Movements that are themselves cadet branches of the OSR, or parallel developments to the OSR, etc. Those movements can't (coherently) use the exact same label as the OSR and claim to be the OSR.And the NSR isn't a pejorative. Yochai Gal, or whatever his name is, is rather notoriously gatekeepery and exclusionary. But to his credit, he made a brave attempt to call Cairn an NSR game and to get the NSR label to stick. Because it—obviously—is a new thing that maybe sprang out of the OSR but which is clearly going in a new direction. Hence, it can't really be the OSR.But there's a lot of resistance to that, so we end up with an incoherent state where people have to take the time to explain what they mean by OSR and which OSR they actually are referring to, because people are resistant to allowing new labels to take hold.Whatever. Like I said; I don't know why this bothers me so much, because I don't even call myself an OSRian of any kind, really. I guess the inner taxonomist in me rebels at the quantum state of a workable definition for the label.</blockquote>

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