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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5376056" data-attributes="member: 71571">They didn't want to, because they wanted those bonuses only to apply to the Opportunity Attack action, and the triggers that make it work.  I figured that was obvious.  They have a specific thing, and bonuses and effects that key off of only that specific thing... and they did that on purpose... it's reasonable to assume they wanted it that way by design. Then you can see why it is the way it is. 1-  As an aside, I dislike the 'these are not idiots' defense.  It seems to be used to justify all sorts of behavior, such as never cracking over the book, and never making an attempt to understand the rules.  I never claimed it was a matter of idiocy... it's a matter of ignorance and that's a completely different thing.2-  If all they have to go by is just looking at numbers on their character sheet... then they're just learning the rules by hearsay.  And my point still stands; they don't understand the rule, and they're relying on explanation first, rather than 'just go read it' followed by an explanation. Obscure enough to have two separate index entries, one under triggered action types and the other under specific actions... the latter entry refering to the former entry in that Opportunty Attacks are explicitly described as Opportunity Actions, and under Opportunity Actions, Opportunity Attacks are described as one type of them all players have.It's actually pretty clear.  Both refer to each other as distinct kinds of game elements.I've seen some of the things you believe the rules do.  Have you tried pointing out the rules in the book, especially to these players who have been playing for years and can understand how rule books are written?  Hell, these players have been dealing with obtuse rules such as ability modifiers to varying saving throws, 3rd edition polymorphs, THAC0, the word 'level,' attack modifiers based on weapon and armor class (before dexterity adjustment), the rules for psionics, the other rules for psionics, the other other rules for psionics, the other other other rules for psionics, and so on and so forth. In comparison, something that can be resolved simply by explaining 'This is a type of action, and this is a specific action of that type' isn't obtuse.</blockquote>

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