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Does Opportunity Action + MBA = Opportunity Attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5376481" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>There exists a sum total of one opportunity action in the entire game that has the trigger 'When an adjacent enemy leaves its square or makes a ranged or area attack' and the effect 'make a basic attack against that enemy.'</p><p></p><p>Every other opportunity action has either a different trigger, a different effect, or both... that means they are no more similiar than Combat Challenge is to the Shield ability.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Then how can you claim they are confusable or even the same thing or even related?</p><p></p><p>They are as related as five dollars is to a five-dollar-milkshake. One is a currency, the other is one thing you can use that currency to buy.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>And how is that confusion usually resovled?</p><p></p><p>"RTFB"</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Why? They are different things. Opportunity Attack refers to an explicit trigger followed by a basic attack. Other things with different triggers that end in a basic attack are not meant to be opportunity attacks, because they're NOT THE SAME THING AND NOT INTENDED TO BE.</p><p></p><p>Then you'd have Opportunity Actions that result in attacks that are not basic attacks being confusing on top of that. THAT would be obtuse.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, you can't 'get a bonus to opportunity actions' because 'opportunity actions' don't have numbers involved. It's like saying 'I have +1 to my warhorse.' What does that even mean? Nothing. It's nonsense, in the context of the rules.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, what sort of action does this thing take in the action economy? Obviously not an immediate action, because you want it to be taken more than once per round. So you have to name it something. But what? Well, the most common type is opportunity attack, so you could name it after that, in the same way that you name the action most commonly used to move a 'move action' regardless if it actually involves movement....</p><p></p><p>....so... opportunity action... for this rules construct that you've created a vacuum for just so the rules... would be... less obtuse...</p><p></p><p>WAIT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE NOW</p><p></p><p>'But Draco, I'd call it something else, like a 'reactive action' (great, immediate reactions will get confused with that) or an 'interrupting action' (same thing) or a 'swift action.'</p><p></p><p>Fine, I just solved the problem for you. Go through all your books that have 'opportunity action' written in them, replace it with 'swift action' and see if that solves the problem. Cause really, if the entire thing is a matter of nomenclature, you can solve that by changing the name.</p><p></p><p>Done. Was that so hard?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not the rule being obtuse in that instance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Non-Dex classes suck at initiative. That doesn't make the game broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, Opportunity Attack is explicitly defined. Only things that are explicitly defined as opportunity attacks are opportunity attacks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5376481, member: 71571"] There exists a sum total of one opportunity action in the entire game that has the trigger 'When an adjacent enemy leaves its square or makes a ranged or area attack' and the effect 'make a basic attack against that enemy.' Every other opportunity action has either a different trigger, a different effect, or both... that means they are no more similiar than Combat Challenge is to the Shield ability. Then how can you claim they are confusable or even the same thing or even related? They are as related as five dollars is to a five-dollar-milkshake. One is a currency, the other is one thing you can use that currency to buy. And how is that confusion usually resovled? "RTFB" Why? They are different things. Opportunity Attack refers to an explicit trigger followed by a basic attack. Other things with different triggers that end in a basic attack are not meant to be opportunity attacks, because they're NOT THE SAME THING AND NOT INTENDED TO BE. Then you'd have Opportunity Actions that result in attacks that are not basic attacks being confusing on top of that. THAT would be obtuse. Moreover, you can't 'get a bonus to opportunity actions' because 'opportunity actions' don't have numbers involved. It's like saying 'I have +1 to my warhorse.' What does that even mean? Nothing. It's nonsense, in the context of the rules. Lastly, what sort of action does this thing take in the action economy? Obviously not an immediate action, because you want it to be taken more than once per round. So you have to name it something. But what? Well, the most common type is opportunity attack, so you could name it after that, in the same way that you name the action most commonly used to move a 'move action' regardless if it actually involves movement.... ....so... opportunity action... for this rules construct that you've created a vacuum for just so the rules... would be... less obtuse... WAIT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE NOW 'But Draco, I'd call it something else, like a 'reactive action' (great, immediate reactions will get confused with that) or an 'interrupting action' (same thing) or a 'swift action.' Fine, I just solved the problem for you. Go through all your books that have 'opportunity action' written in them, replace it with 'swift action' and see if that solves the problem. Cause really, if the entire thing is a matter of nomenclature, you can solve that by changing the name. Done. Was that so hard? It's not the rule being obtuse in that instance. Non-Dex classes suck at initiative. That doesn't make the game broken. No, Opportunity Attack is explicitly defined. Only things that are explicitly defined as opportunity attacks are opportunity attacks. [/QUOTE]
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