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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5376502" data-attributes="member: 82106">Really? Name me all these other Opportunity Actions that are NOT just a trigger for an MBA. ALL of the ones I can think of entitle you to an MBA. There really is no other kind. Maybe you can dig up an example, but the truth is the entire mechanic has been used very little and if an Op Action DOES do something else, so what? It really doesn't change my point one iota.I don't think you've ACTUALLY READ a word I've written! Again, you simply haven't actually read what I've written. WE, you and me, understand all of this. The point is when someone is directed to make an MBA as an Opportunity Action pretty much every player I've ever played with has logically assumed that this MBA is considered an OPPORTUNITY ATTACK!!!!! This is ENTIRELY a logical and reasonable assumption since it certainly SEEMS LIKE it should be the case, but no, a whole different set of conditional bonuses apply for whatever mysterious and unfathomable reason that has nothing to do with the game. OBVIOUSLY if an Opportunity Action allowed you to do something that was NOT an attack (and you will still have to dig up an example, I can find NONE) then it wouldn't be an attack and ATTACK bonuses wouldn't apply to it!!! DUH!!!! Nobody has an issue with what kind of ACTION it is, they have an issue with the fact that there is a pointless differentiation between "Opportunity Attack" and "Opportunity Action that just happens to be an MBA (just like an Opportunity Attack is)". This has nothing whatsoever to do with it. The fact that the rogue for whatever reason suddenly can't do squat with his OA whereas he's supremely deadly with his dagger the entire rest of the time is a whole different thing. Characters with low dex don't EXPECT to be good at getting a jump on people. They are always consistently operating at the same level of performance in this respect, not toggling between deadly and incompetent depending on who's turn it happens to be. It is these weird inconsistencies in the way things apply from a game world perspective that piss people off. I just think they missed a (relatively minor and in the grand scheme of things fairly inconsequential) opportunity to make the game a BIT more consistent by having the same modifiers always apply to any Basic Attack made as an Opportunity Action. The EASIEST way to accomplish that would have been to declare an MBA made with an Opportunity Action to be the definition of "Opportunity Attack" from the start. This does not confuse anything or create any void in the rules whatsoever. It could also have been accomplished with more careful wording of individual bonuses so they always applied in the two situations. Either way it would have been a small but measurable improvement in the game.</blockquote>

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