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Does Opportunity Action + MBA = Opportunity Attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5376517" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>And as I say, they really don't change the argument one bit because nobody has an issue with "other kinds of Opp Actions that aren't MBAs." Nor have they ever. It is the bizarre way that bonuses to Opp Attacks don't apply when an MBA is used during an Opportunity Action that doesn't happen to be a standard OA. They are STILL the same thing from any in-game perspective, but somehow a rather obtuse rules construct causes you to have to treat them differently, and the difference CAN sometimes be fairly material. </p><p></p><p>And again it really doesn't matter when they were in development. I find it exceedingly unlikely that rectifying that inconsistency would have had any appreciable impact on any of the PHB2 classes. At worst it might have required a whole word or two to be changed before the book was finalized. I really doubt anyone at WotC was incapable of that. I think it just simply wasn't a consideration. I suspect if you could talk to Mike Mearles right now and ask him if he thinks ignoring these little inconsistencies was a good idea when 4e was being developed he'd tell you "no, it wasn't" because it DID irritate a lot of players, and continues to do so. </p><p></p><p>Thus my original comment which provoked you to such an irate reaction in the first place, it was just not a good game design decision. It wasn't handled well. It is part of a more extensive thing that wasn't handled well. RPGs SHOULD strive to make every equivalent in-game situation work in a mechanically consistent manner. It improves people's perception that the game rules consistently handle the game world and avoids confusing players even if they aren't rules experts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5376517, member: 82106"] And as I say, they really don't change the argument one bit because nobody has an issue with "other kinds of Opp Actions that aren't MBAs." Nor have they ever. It is the bizarre way that bonuses to Opp Attacks don't apply when an MBA is used during an Opportunity Action that doesn't happen to be a standard OA. They are STILL the same thing from any in-game perspective, but somehow a rather obtuse rules construct causes you to have to treat them differently, and the difference CAN sometimes be fairly material. And again it really doesn't matter when they were in development. I find it exceedingly unlikely that rectifying that inconsistency would have had any appreciable impact on any of the PHB2 classes. At worst it might have required a whole word or two to be changed before the book was finalized. I really doubt anyone at WotC was incapable of that. I think it just simply wasn't a consideration. I suspect if you could talk to Mike Mearles right now and ask him if he thinks ignoring these little inconsistencies was a good idea when 4e was being developed he'd tell you "no, it wasn't" because it DID irritate a lot of players, and continues to do so. Thus my original comment which provoked you to such an irate reaction in the first place, it was just not a good game design decision. It wasn't handled well. It is part of a more extensive thing that wasn't handled well. RPGs SHOULD strive to make every equivalent in-game situation work in a mechanically consistent manner. It improves people's perception that the game rules consistently handle the game world and avoids confusing players even if they aren't rules experts. [/QUOTE]
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