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<blockquote data-quote="Kmart Kommando" data-source="post: 3719173" data-attributes="member: 39915">and maybe in 4th edition, the carrion crawler's tentacle poison will actually get qualified as poison.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> my crusader did the maneuver that gives DR5/adamantine for one round, then took 3 hits from&nbsp; some ghouls' claws and bites, none of which did any damage through my DR, and my DM made me roll the saves anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp; the classic zombie/ghoul/infected person movies all work by breaking skin, which hit points may or may not be representing, which is another thread entirely, but when the rare instance comes up that you're immune to a special attack, don't make them roll anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp; :\ ditto with some poison arrows that failed to get through my DR, but I made the saves anyway.&nbsp; They need to clean up the language and put in &quot;...and takes damage from..&quot; in all entries with special attack-based abilities.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />a ghoul can't just choose to touch you, do a touch attack, and paralyze you, so no claw damage = no paralysis IMO.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kmart Kommando, post: 3719173, member: 39915"] and maybe in 4th edition, the carrion crawler's tentacle poison will actually get qualified as poison. :p my crusader did the maneuver that gives DR5/adamantine for one round, then took 3 hits from some ghouls' claws and bites, none of which did any damage through my DR, and my DM made me roll the saves anyway. the classic zombie/ghoul/infected person movies all work by breaking skin, which hit points may or may not be representing, which is another thread entirely, but when the rare instance comes up that you're immune to a special attack, don't make them roll anyway. :\ ditto with some poison arrows that failed to get through my DR, but I made the saves anyway. They need to clean up the language and put in "...and takes damage from.." in all entries with special attack-based abilities. :mad: a ghoul can't just choose to touch you, do a touch attack, and paralyze you, so no claw damage = no paralysis IMO. ;) [/QUOTE]

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