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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2239561" data-attributes="member: 478">See, it's just meant as an explanation how it might be meant. We cannot discern how it was meant, because the spell is so badly worded. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> We do have the RotG article, though, to back my interpretation up.But I think it's a quite reasonable assumption, that the "you can change a willing subject into another form of living creature" does actually mean what I explained above.Because that sentance otherwise makes absolutely no sense. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />That depends on how you read the "you can change a willing subject into another form of living creature" part. It's surely not as definite as you put it, it's just one way to interprete the whole mess that is Alter Self and Polymorph."Another form" can very well mean other than as defined (read "restricted") by Alter Self.Also, if you say, that the part does not lift the restrictions placed by Alter Self, then Polymorph would let you assume only a form of 5 HD or less, since that restriction is still in place and is stronger than the 15 HD restriction of Polymorph. Both restrictions would then apply!You cannot just cherry-pick the restrictions, which get "overwritten". It's all or nothing. Everything, type, HD limit and size, gets redefined by Polymorph. So, that is no excuse. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />ByeThaneeP.S. Re: "bacteria": I see the "no smaller than Fine" part as a clarification. It might be unnecessary, ruleswise, but often people read the rules in such a weird way, so sometimes it's good to state unnecessary stuff like that.</blockquote>

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