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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2242598" data-attributes="member: 478">Of course not. Likewise it is not impossible to have both a 5 HD and a 15 HD limit in place at the same time. Both, however, makes no sense in context, of course. And it makes no sense in particular to rule one that way and the other the opposite way. Therefore the only reasonable way to look at it is, that all three restrictions are overruled.Where did you get that from, that I would not do this?In fact, I'm extremely confident, that my arguments are very well thought through. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />No, it would be, if we would follow your logic, but the guidelines clearly say, that it is not in place. Therefore you must be wrong. And this also applies to Polymorph. Simple logic.Well, this might be possible, of course, but it's not very reasonable to assume, given how the clarifications for Polymorph turned out (see WotC website; you know, the guys that made this game <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). It's OTOH extremely reasonable to assume, that the table is exactly right and is therefore not in need of errata, which in turn is the reason, that there is still no errata for it.No, why should they? Looks all perfectly fine.There are only contradictions, if you don't read the spell descriptions right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />There is still a 15 HD limit in place, thanks to Polymorph, please note the fine difference between the parts where the exceptions are outlined.No, I never said that. Polymorph Any Object does not say anything about different forms, only Polymorph does. It does not lift the restrictions on size and type and HD placed by Polymorph therefore (in the way Polymorph does related to Alter Self, because it allows completely different forms). The first only adds objects into the mix and alters the duration and how mental stats are figured in.Probably, yes. He would surely have saved everyone some trouble by simply using the same language in Polymorph as well, except for this cryptic stuff. But it's obviousenough after some research, that both have the same size limits. ByeThanee</blockquote>

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