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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2242620" data-attributes="member: 478">No, I'm telling you that all three restrictions are overruled... HD, type and size, because these are the limits for the "form", which Polymorph excepts from the inherited rules.Yes, since the intent is clear from both the RotG article and the PAO spell, I'm looking mostly for an explanation, how this might be meant (it obviously is meant that way, so that is out of question, anyways).If you only look at it from Alter Self upwards, and disregard everything except clearly pronounced sentences, that are written in the exact same pattern as a previous rule, then, of course, you will never get to that conclusion, because you are missing out many pieces of the puzzle, so to say.But even from Alter Self upwards, it certainly works that way...Alter Self allows you to assume a form (defined as your own type, max 5 HD, within +/- 1 size category).Polymorph allows you to assume another form (other than that defined by Alter Self), therefore the definition for the form do no longer apply. New ones take their place (specific type list, max 15 HD, size from Fine to unlimited).Polymorph Any Object further builds upon that by allowing objects to be altered or assumed, mental stats to be assumed and alters the duration.Very logical without any assumptions needed other than what is written in the spell descriptions.The only tricky part is to understand, what they mean with "form", but thinking about it for a moment, can only lead to this conclusion, as otherwise the rules have way too many parts that make absolutely no sense at all (like the redundant Fine limitation, which can only be seen as an overly cautious approach).ByeThanee</blockquote>

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