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Does Polymorph restrict size-changes?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2246511" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Wow. I found some of the arguments here (like the HD one) stretching so far that they broke (in fact, the FAQ had a Wildshape/Polymorph explanation very similar to the HD one here and they ruled against that argument).</p><p></p><p>I agree with Iku.</p><p></p><p>The "any size" camp is totally relying on inferences not explicitly stated in the text.</p><p></p><p>I think that WotC might have wanted it to be any size, but they did not clearly state that. And without clearly stating it, the "any size" argument falls completely apart. Wanting a sentence to mean more than what it actually states is a common rules interpretation mistake.</p><p></p><p>There is an explicit statement that Polymorph "functions like Alter Self except", but the elements after that exception can only be used if they are explicit, not if they are inferred. There is no explicit size range stetement in Polymorph, hence, the size range from Alter Self must be used. There is an explicit size minimum statement, but it can only be used for minimums. There is an explicit form statement, but that cannot be used for size since you must use all restrictions on the spell, you cannot just drop some of them (like size) because a given form is outside the range of that restriction.</p><p></p><p>I also suspect that some people here may be strongly polarized on how this works based on how they want it to work (or have been using it) in their game. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2246511, member: 2011"] Wow. I found some of the arguments here (like the HD one) stretching so far that they broke (in fact, the FAQ had a Wildshape/Polymorph explanation very similar to the HD one here and they ruled against that argument). I agree with Iku. The "any size" camp is totally relying on inferences not explicitly stated in the text. I think that WotC might have wanted it to be any size, but they did not clearly state that. And without clearly stating it, the "any size" argument falls completely apart. Wanting a sentence to mean more than what it actually states is a common rules interpretation mistake. There is an explicit statement that Polymorph "functions like Alter Self except", but the elements after that exception can only be used if they are explicit, not if they are inferred. There is no explicit size range stetement in Polymorph, hence, the size range from Alter Self must be used. There is an explicit size minimum statement, but it can only be used for minimums. There is an explicit form statement, but that cannot be used for size since you must use all restrictions on the spell, you cannot just drop some of them (like size) because a given form is outside the range of that restriction. I also suspect that some people here may be strongly polarized on how this works based on how they want it to work (or have been using it) in their game. :D [/QUOTE]
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