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<blockquote data-quote="Nareau" data-source="post: 2247784" data-attributes="member: 969">Ya got that one backwards.&nbsp; I want &quot;smaller than fine&quot; to replace &quot;within one size category,&quot; as the size-limitation clause, not the other way around.No.&nbsp; It's a corresponding item because both clauses deal with the very specific topic of size changes.&nbsp; It's supposed to be replaced because of the word &quot;except&quot;.My reasoning is this:&nbsp; &quot;New info in Polymorph overrides what's in Alter Self when they deal with the same subject.&quot;&nbsp; You seem to be accusing me of saying, &quot;I want Polymorph to work this way, so I'll make stuff up to justify it.&quot;&nbsp; Please, give me some more credit than that.Let me ask you some clarifying questions on your position:1)&nbsp; Can a wizard polymorph into himself?2)&nbsp; Can polymorph change the target into something with more than 5 HD?3)&nbsp; Can a vampire wizard cast Alter Self, and become incorporeal by assuming the form of a Wraith?If I understand your argument correctly, you believe that the explicit allowances and limitations in Polymorph should be applied concurrently with the allowances and limitations set forth in Alter Self.&nbsp; Hence, your conclusion that &quot;one size category&quot; should be applied alongside &quot;no smaller than fine.&quot;&nbsp; Am I restating your position correctly?SpiderPS - I'm not using circular reasoning because I'm not using circular reasoning.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nareau, post: 2247784, member: 969"] Ya got that one backwards. I want "smaller than fine" to replace "within one size category," as the size-limitation clause, not the other way around. No. It's a corresponding item because both clauses deal with the very specific topic of size changes. It's supposed to be replaced because of the word "except". My reasoning is this: "New info in Polymorph overrides what's in Alter Self when they deal with the same subject." You seem to be accusing me of saying, "I want Polymorph to work this way, so I'll make stuff up to justify it." Please, give me some more credit than that. Let me ask you some clarifying questions on your position: 1) Can a wizard polymorph into himself? 2) Can polymorph change the target into something with more than 5 HD? 3) Can a vampire wizard cast Alter Self, and become incorporeal by assuming the form of a Wraith? If I understand your argument correctly, you believe that the explicit allowances and limitations in Polymorph should be applied concurrently with the allowances and limitations set forth in Alter Self. Hence, your conclusion that "one size category" should be applied alongside "no smaller than fine." Am I restating your position correctly? Spider PS - I'm not using circular reasoning because I'm not using circular reasoning. ;) [/QUOTE]

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