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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2253530" data-attributes="member: 478">Only if you apply circular logic (that is only look at those that conform with the result you are looking for). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />If (under the assumption, that all Alter Self restrictions on the form are inherited) they wanted to remove the downward restriction (if we split the one-step size restriction up into two seperate restrictions), they should have said so. They didn't ("no form smaller than Fine" is not the same type of limit as "minus one size category", it would just say, that Fine creatures cannot become any smaller, while every creature bigger than Fine can become one size category smaller; as someone said earlier), so either the downward restriction from Alter Self is still in place, or the whole restriction (normal size plus/minus one) is overruled.Besides, there is still no explicit (<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) rule, that removes the 5 HD limit from Alter Self in that interpretation. You just assume, since the 15 HD limit would be redundant otherwise, that therefore the 5 HD must be overruled. But it isn't. There is no rule, that says, the 5 HD limit is not in place anymore. And certainly no explicit rule. Same with type.And it's really just circular logic. You start with the result (3.0 Polymorph size restriction) and take that as a given, then only look at the solutions, which lead to that result. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Really, that's just exactly what he himself calls:ByeThanee</blockquote>

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