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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Amazing Triangle" data-source="post: 3095831" data-attributes="member: 39939">Let us Analyze this from a purely power vantage:BaB +7  Fort +6  Ref +4 Will +12  Sure no one will likely beat my will save; but the chances of that as a pure Cleric were slim to begin with.  I will never really stand a chance on either a Fort or Ref save as they are both horrendusly low for a 14th level character.  Since most of the warmage's good spells are ranged touch and with a BaB that is 1/2 my HD.As a Warmage:I can cast as an 11th level character.  I can only cast in Light armor, lowering my armor class making it easier to hit me.  I lose the chance to learn 3 spells not on my list.  I also lose both Sudden Empower and Sudden Enlarge.  I am limited to Evocation spells only.  So as a caster I have no utility as a Warmage.  So as far as power goes I stunt myself by going into Mystic Theurge as I also lower my hit die by one step.As a Cleric:I can only cast as a 13th level Cleric.  Due to my Arcane restrictions I lower my armor class, not carrying a shield and wearing light armor.  I lose 10 levels of turning strength.  Has far as hit points are concerned I lose two die sizes by taking up the Theurge.Compared to other characters:Same BAB as a 14th level Wizard, Same fort save as a 9th level cleric a reflex save that is the same as a 14th level Cleric and a will save that is the same as a 20th level Cleric.I have (with no con score) 51 hit points as compared to 67 as a Cleric or 52 as a Warmage.  So besides being able to cast 5th level Arcane and 7th level Divine what advantage do I get from this mix of classes?  I get a better Will Save and Arcane spells.  Fewer Hit points, Fewer Divine spells, Lower Fort Save.  Looks like 2 postitives versus 3 negatives.  So explain over-powered to me?  For as a DM and a Player the only advantage I see is spell selection and addition of Arcane spells (albeit limited) to the selection.I could see the power issues if I were using Wizard and Cleric or even Sorcerer and Cleric but Warmage has a hearty restriction on their spell choice.  As in there is only one book for such a character to look in as opposed to the numerous books that a sorcerer/wizard can look in.</blockquote>

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