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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6397386" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Let me ask you this then. Did the NPC make any checks to plant the bomb? Did the NPC have to make any checks whatsoever to initiate and execute this plan? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that no, no checks were made.</p><p></p><p>Now, if the situation was reversed, and it was a PC planting the bomb on an NPC ship, would you have called for checks? Would you have allowed the NPC to make perception (or whatever the system check is) check to notice something out of place? Or perhaps given the NPC an automatic check to look at the security footage? Now maybe the PC would have still succeeded, but, I'm thinking that it's extremely unlikely that you would allow the player to have an automatically succeeding plan to kill an NPC. The player would be making checks all the way along and so would the NPC.</p><p></p><p>That's what would annoy me. That there is a pretty clear double standard here. I didn't pixel bitch the situation (check the security cameras? Had that ever been done before? Was there any reason to check? And wouldn't checking the security footage come under the umbrella of "checking the ship before takeoff"?) so now my character is dead. Yeah, I'm thinking that this isn't a case of an immature player as much as some serious failings on both sides of the screen. The player made it clear that he wanted to make sure that the ship was safe to fly. Sure, he didn't say the magic words of "Is there a bomb on the ship" but the intent was pretty clearly there. I gotta say, I'm not very sympathetic to your position here. Killing a PC in an unavoidable explosion is hardly a "tiny part" of a railroad. That's a pretty major campaign event right there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6397386, member: 22779"] Let me ask you this then. Did the NPC make any checks to plant the bomb? Did the NPC have to make any checks whatsoever to initiate and execute this plan? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that no, no checks were made. Now, if the situation was reversed, and it was a PC planting the bomb on an NPC ship, would you have called for checks? Would you have allowed the NPC to make perception (or whatever the system check is) check to notice something out of place? Or perhaps given the NPC an automatic check to look at the security footage? Now maybe the PC would have still succeeded, but, I'm thinking that it's extremely unlikely that you would allow the player to have an automatically succeeding plan to kill an NPC. The player would be making checks all the way along and so would the NPC. That's what would annoy me. That there is a pretty clear double standard here. I didn't pixel bitch the situation (check the security cameras? Had that ever been done before? Was there any reason to check? And wouldn't checking the security footage come under the umbrella of "checking the ship before takeoff"?) so now my character is dead. Yeah, I'm thinking that this isn't a case of an immature player as much as some serious failings on both sides of the screen. The player made it clear that he wanted to make sure that the ship was safe to fly. Sure, he didn't say the magic words of "Is there a bomb on the ship" but the intent was pretty clearly there. I gotta say, I'm not very sympathetic to your position here. Killing a PC in an unavoidable explosion is hardly a "tiny part" of a railroad. That's a pretty major campaign event right there. [/QUOTE]
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