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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 962027" data-attributes="member: 6239">I know because that is not what lightning bolt says.&nbsp; It gives damage to a creature in its path, then later says it also damages objects.&nbsp; Note: it does not say &quot;ignoring hit points&quot;.It also says &quot;If the damage caused to an interposing barrier shatters or breaks through it, the bolt may continue&quot; so it is dealing a variable set amount of damage.&nbsp; There is only 1 code in the spell for variable amount of damage.Yes, but there is no other explanation.&nbsp; The spell does a variable amount of damage.&nbsp; It does not state it ignores hardness or hitpoints, so it does not ignore them.&nbsp; It does state it harms objects.There are detection spells that are divininations.&nbsp; So it is possible to union the two limits.&nbsp; This is as opposed to lightning bolt.&nbsp; 2 limits.&quot;from divination spells that reveal auras&quot;&nbsp; That would be divination dection spells.&nbsp; Simple as that.&nbsp; &quot;Spells that reveal auras&quot; is just being clarified to dectection spells.&nbsp; Misdirection says both divination and dection which are not mutually exclusive.&nbsp; Lightning bolt mentions creatures and objects which is esentially mutually exclusive.It is the difference between &quot;It affects A B spells&quot; and &quot;It affects A.&nbsp; It affects B&quot;.&nbsp; In the first case, you must be both A and B.&nbsp; In the second case, you must be A or B.&quot;Divination that reveal auras&quot;.&nbsp; What reveal auras: dectection spells.&nbsp; So &quot;Divination that reveal auras&quot; could be written &quot;Divination dectection spells&quot;.&nbsp; That phrase is absolutely clear.Find a spell that adds a not mutually exclusive catagory to another catagory and we can use that as an example.&nbsp; I don't think you will find one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 962027, member: 6239"] I know because that is not what lightning bolt says. It gives damage to a creature in its path, then later says it also damages objects. Note: it does not say "ignoring hit points". It also says "If the damage caused to an interposing barrier shatters or breaks through it, the bolt may continue" so it is dealing a variable set amount of damage. There is only 1 code in the spell for variable amount of damage. Yes, but there is no other explanation. The spell does a variable amount of damage. It does not state it ignores hardness or hitpoints, so it does not ignore them. It does state it harms objects. There are detection spells that are divininations. So it is possible to union the two limits. This is as opposed to lightning bolt. 2 limits. "from divination spells that reveal auras" That would be divination dection spells. Simple as that. "Spells that reveal auras" is just being clarified to dectection spells. Misdirection says both divination and dection which are not mutually exclusive. Lightning bolt mentions creatures and objects which is esentially mutually exclusive. It is the difference between "It affects A B spells" and "It affects A. It affects B". In the first case, you must be both A and B. In the second case, you must be A or B. "Divination that reveal auras". What reveal auras: dectection spells. So "Divination that reveal auras" could be written "Divination dectection spells". That phrase is absolutely clear. Find a spell that adds a not mutually exclusive catagory to another catagory and we can use that as an example. I don't think you will find one. [/QUOTE]

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