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Does sniping while hidden deal sneak attack damage?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3534586" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>First, for your total concealment rule. Notice how it says in total darkness, or invisible, or blinded. Notice how invisible denies dex bonus, and blinded denies dex bonus. And the total darkness is in fact "hidden" which is what we are debating. See a pattern here? See how you need to actually make a logical and reasonable argument as to why you would retain your dex bonus against a hidden foe but not if you are blinded and not if your foe is invisible?</p><p></p><p>Second, it's not a skill trick, because it's already the rule. And it's obvious to just about everyone. If you don't even know your opponent is there, and you fail your spot check to see them, then you are denied your dex bonus against their attack. And it doesn't matter if you cannot see them because they are invisible, or hiding, or you are blinded, or 100% concealed, or whatever. </p><p></p><p>I am waiting for ANY logical and reasonable explanation of why it doesn't work that way. So far all you have done is toss out the total concealment strawman and act like my argument is based on it (it's not - you mentioned concealment, not me). I do in fact think you get to deny your opponent dex bonus if attacking from total concealment, but I don't see how it's key to this debate to begin with.</p><p></p><p>BTW, the FAQ also makes this assumption that hide = invisible. "Can a character with Spring Attack who begins her turn hidden move up to a foe, attack him, then return to a position of hiding? Is she considered to be hiding (<strong>that is, invisible to the foe</strong>) when she makes the attack?" The answer just assumes that the "invisible to the foe" part is correct, BECAUSE IT'S SO FRIGGEN OBVIOUS that if you cannot see your foe, it's the equivalent of them being invisible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3534586, member: 2525"] First, for your total concealment rule. Notice how it says in total darkness, or invisible, or blinded. Notice how invisible denies dex bonus, and blinded denies dex bonus. And the total darkness is in fact "hidden" which is what we are debating. See a pattern here? See how you need to actually make a logical and reasonable argument as to why you would retain your dex bonus against a hidden foe but not if you are blinded and not if your foe is invisible? Second, it's not a skill trick, because it's already the rule. And it's obvious to just about everyone. If you don't even know your opponent is there, and you fail your spot check to see them, then you are denied your dex bonus against their attack. And it doesn't matter if you cannot see them because they are invisible, or hiding, or you are blinded, or 100% concealed, or whatever. I am waiting for ANY logical and reasonable explanation of why it doesn't work that way. So far all you have done is toss out the total concealment strawman and act like my argument is based on it (it's not - you mentioned concealment, not me). I do in fact think you get to deny your opponent dex bonus if attacking from total concealment, but I don't see how it's key to this debate to begin with. BTW, the FAQ also makes this assumption that hide = invisible. "Can a character with Spring Attack who begins her turn hidden move up to a foe, attack him, then return to a position of hiding? Is she considered to be hiding ([b]that is, invisible to the foe[/b]) when she makes the attack?" The answer just assumes that the "invisible to the foe" part is correct, BECAUSE IT'S SO FRIGGEN OBVIOUS that if you cannot see your foe, it's the equivalent of them being invisible. [/QUOTE]
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