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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 3536645" data-attributes="member: 16285">I fail to see where it says anything about hidden = invisible, except by the person asking the question.It does talk about hiding while moving, but that is in the Hide skill rules already.The combat modifiers table provides the location that states the attacker being invisible denying his opponent his Dex mod.It does not say the same about being hidden or having concealment.It does not say in the text for Hide skill that your opponent is denied his Dex mod, nor does it state you are &quot;invisible&quot;, nor does it state that he is &quot;blinded&quot;.The combat modifiers table aslo says that a blinded character is denied his Dex mod too.Note the specific calling out of these conditions.Also note that no where does it state that being hidden is equivalent to being invisible or that your opponent is blinded.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 3536645, member: 16285"] I fail to see where it says anything about hidden = invisible, except by the person asking the question. It does talk about hiding while moving, but that is in the Hide skill rules already. The combat modifiers table provides the location that states the attacker being invisible denying his opponent his Dex mod. It does not say the same about being hidden or having concealment. It does not say in the text for Hide skill that your opponent is denied his Dex mod, nor does it state you are "invisible", nor does it state that he is "blinded". The combat modifiers table aslo says that a blinded character is denied his Dex mod too. Note the specific calling out of these conditions. Also note that no where does it state that being hidden is equivalent to being invisible or that your opponent is blinded. [/QUOTE]

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