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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 3537343" data-attributes="member: 3400">Not as much as you might think. The condition invisible is defined as visually undetectable. With a particular spot roll compared to a particular hide roll, that hiding character may well be visually undetectable... for that spot roll. Plus, with the benefit of see invisible spells, no invisible character is certain to be visually undetectable anyway. The real question is what enables the invisible character to be visually detectable. In the case of the hiding character, it's a better spot roll or removal of the cover/concealment. In the case of a character using magical invisibility, it's a see invisible or other revealing spell. By those measures, the invisibility spell is still quite a bit more powerful than a hide check.As far as invisibility granting bonuses on a hide check, that source of invisibility would have to be an alternative source from that condition granted by the hide check itself. In other words, if the character were already invisible, he'd get the bonus. But since the hiding character isn't already invisible when  he makes the hide roll (that is determinined only when the hide roll exceeds the opposed spot roll), the bonus couldn't occur.</blockquote>