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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3547363" data-attributes="member: 2525">I didn't say they are the same.  I said you lose your dex bonus against an attack from a hidden person who you failed to spot.  I cited the complete adventurer rule.  I cited the other "hidden" type rules, which include invisiblity and blindness.  And Hyp cited the "provided he can react to the attack" rule that exempts Dex to AC.  Those are all rules.  They all combine for a body of evidence that tends to indicate you lose your dex bonus to AC if attacked by someone you didn't see (whether because you are blind, or they are invisible or hidden).Finally, are you going to respond to the rest of that post, or just ignore it?</blockquote>