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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 3560124" data-attributes="member: 16285">Quote:Originally Posted by irdeggmanHow about the no AoO is that part of it too? Quote:It is much deeper than merely losing Dex bonus to AC, as I have repeatedly stated.  I'm gald you are now firmly into the table rules section.I have been trying to point out what the conditon flat-footed entails, to no avail.But to reiterate and point out the RAW sources:Things “affected” by being flat-footed:Base effects:No Dex Bonus to AC (PHB pg 137, 308)Can’t make AoO (PHB pg 137, 308), unless have Combat Reflexes feat (PHB pg 92)No Dodge bonus to AC (PHB pg 93, 307)No immediate actions (Complete Arcane pg 86)You are considered flat-footed until your next action. (PHB pg 133, 135, 308)Things that you would be forbidden from doing if flat-footed.Expanded Psionics (pg 10)“• Resistance (Su): Elans can use psionic energy to increase their resistance to various forms of attack. As an immediate action, an elan can spend 1 power point to gain a +4 racial bonus on saving throws until the beginning of her next action.”Catfall (Exp Psionics pg 82)Immediate manifesting time power, “You recover instantly from a fall and can absorb some damage from falling.”Empty Mind (Exp Psionics pg 99)Immediate manifesting time power “You empty your mind of all transitory and distracting thoughts, improving your self-control. You gain a +2 bonus on all Will saves until your next action. You can manifest this power instantly, quickly enough to gain its benefits in an emergency.”Fate of One (Exp Psionics pg 107)Immediate manifesting time power, “You limited omniscience allows you to reroll a saving throw, attack roll or skill check.”Mental Barrier (Exp Psionics pg 115)Immediate manifesting time power “You project a field of improbability around yourself, creating a fleeting protective shell. You gain a +4 deflection bonus to AC. You can manifest this power instantly, quickly enough to gain its benefits in an emergency.”Arcane Toughness (PHB II pg “You can expend a prepared spell of spell slot as an immediate action when you are reduced to 0 or fewer hit points. You heal. . . .”Dampen Spell (PHB II pg 78)“You can use an immediate action to attempt to dampen an enemy’s spell.”Divine Fortune (PHB II pg 88)“As an immediate action, you can expend a turn or rebuke undead attempt to gain a +4 bonus on your next saving throw.”Electric Vengeance (PHB II pg 111)Immediate action spell, “You can only cast this spell when another creature has just dealt hit point damage to you. . ..”Stay the Hand (PHB II pg 126)Immediate action spell, “ If the target creature fails its save against stay the hand it refrains from attacking you or targeting you with spells for the remainder of the current round. You can cast this spell during an opponent’s turn after the opponent announces its intention to attack you or target you with a spell”These are just some of the immediate actions that can’t be done because a character is flat-footed. It would appear that several of them are actually designed to be used in combat as immediate responses to attacks and when something specifies that a character is “flat-footed” after the beginning of the round then these actions are not allowed.Things like the Elan’s resistance ability, Empty Mind, Fate of One, Mental Barrier, Arcane Toughness, Divine Fortune specifically.Now where is this "new" definition of flat-footed that states the only thing that happens is that your lose your Dex bonus to AC, which is what some people are insinuating. If that is true then the rules have changed and you can take immediate actions and make AoO when flat-footed.When the rules state you are flat-footed these are the things that you are forbidden from doing. Note that none of the new things that state you are flat-footed (like flick of the wrist) state these other limitations do not apply.</blockquote>

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