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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 3560336" data-attributes="member: 3400">Having throught about this a bit more, though I think use of the term flat-footed is currently sloppy on WotC's part, a more considered use of it wouldn't be all that bad. Note that WotC has said that targets are flat-footed with respect to the invisible/hidden attacker and not really flat-footed in general. So that would mean that you lose your Dex and Dodge modifiers to AC with respect to attacks from the invisible/hidden attacker. That seems fair. You wouldn't get AoO against them, but since the invisible/hidden attacker benefits from full concealment anyway, that seems OK. You don't get to take an immediate action in reaction to attacks from the invisible/hidden attacker. That also seems pretty reasonable since it really can't be reacted to.Overall, the implications of being flat-footed with respect to the invisible/hidden attacker don't seem to be that bad. I may have a bit of a problem with the idea of being flat-footed to segments of the playing field without being flat-footed to them all, but I think that can be managed.I can understand some concerns with flat-footedness, as caused by having to balance without having enough ranks, not allowing a character to take an immediate action. Being unable to take immediate actions due to being flat-footed because of being caught by surprise or being unable to react to an attacker makes fine sense to me. I'm just not sure it makes sense because you can't balance properly. In that case, I'm not sure flat-footed is the best descriptor for that condition any more.</blockquote>

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