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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8176280" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>You may not play AL & the idea of that footnote not possibly establishing precedent for many GMs rather than resorting to an endless chain of one off calvinball style rulings lacking any sort of consistency might appeal to some but it provides a reason why a GM would rule that a creature is not always a just a full creature capable of concentration as you describe and the thread I've l<a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/tips-tactics/46811-familiar-concentration" target="_blank">inked</a> a few times from september 2019 predates the november 2019 release of rising. That thread is filled with people giving reasons why they would not allow a warlock to offload concentration to their familiar with a spell storing ring many of which also apply to the situation of a battlesmith & iron defender. It's not unreasonable to say that there are plenty of reasons why a GM would not provide an excessively permissive ruling that allows an artificer to offload concentration like that when there is nothing in the ssi homunculus or iron defender saying that was the design intent. The ssi & spell storing ring are not so different that the reasons give there would not be equally reasonable for the ssi & steel defender. <em>If</em> that is the design intent from wotc it at the very least needs <em>"advice" </em>like SA errata or even a tweet admitting the wording was off from intent sometime before an eventual artificer revision similar to the optional rules the other classes got in tashas. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying this because I'm trying to convince you to run your game that way, I'm saying it because there is ample reasoning for why a GM would not allow it. If the ssi is tuned on the assumption it will be the norm it is worded in a way that does not accomplish or even give a player something to argue on why it should if the gm disagrees.... If offloading concentration is an intended perk of the ssi but no text even hints at that being intended is absolutely a problem for artificer that contributes to answering the question "does the artificer suck" just as much as how your gm handles crafting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8176280, member: 93670"] You may not play AL & the idea of that footnote not possibly establishing precedent for many GMs rather than resorting to an endless chain of one off calvinball style rulings lacking any sort of consistency might appeal to some but it provides a reason why a GM would rule that a creature is not always a just a full creature capable of concentration as you describe and the thread I've l[URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/tips-tactics/46811-familiar-concentration']inked[/URL] a few times from september 2019 predates the november 2019 release of rising. That thread is filled with people giving reasons why they would not allow a warlock to offload concentration to their familiar with a spell storing ring many of which also apply to the situation of a battlesmith & iron defender. It's not unreasonable to say that there are plenty of reasons why a GM would not provide an excessively permissive ruling that allows an artificer to offload concentration like that when there is nothing in the ssi homunculus or iron defender saying that was the design intent. The ssi & spell storing ring are not so different that the reasons give there would not be equally reasonable for the ssi & steel defender. [I]If[/I] that is the design intent from wotc it at the very least needs [I]"advice" [/I]like SA errata or even a tweet admitting the wording was off from intent sometime before an eventual artificer revision similar to the optional rules the other classes got in tashas. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to convince you to run your game that way, I'm saying it because there is ample reasoning for why a GM would not allow it. If the ssi is tuned on the assumption it will be the norm it is worded in a way that does not accomplish or even give a player something to argue on why it should if the gm disagrees.... If offloading concentration is an intended perk of the ssi but no text even hints at that being intended is absolutely a problem for artificer that contributes to answering the question "does the artificer suck" just as much as how your gm handles crafting. [/QUOTE]
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