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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8176315" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>At least counterspells using slots are using up potential spells that could be used for something else. Yes, you could do it with scrolls with other spells in it. But the counterspell scrolls can be saved if not needed. Not the slots.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to take me for an imbecile that does not know the rules. Take that out of your mind. It is not because I do not agree with holy whoknows what at Wizards that I am not aware of other potential abuses. I have played quite a few campaigns in the high levels and I know of many abuses and denounced quite a few during playtests back when 5ed was called Next... </p><p></p><p>And...</p><p>Attacking carried objects is not against any rules in 5ed. That rests solely in the DM's hands. It is a judgment call that is perfectly legal as long as the target can be affected by the attack. The eldritch blast cantrip can only target creatures, not objects (and a good limitations as it could attack mulitple objects at once...) The adamantine weapons can and are used to destroy opponents weapons. Such weapons deals double damage against objects...(XGtE for adamantine weapons).</p><p></p><p>And as for ignoring other threat...</p><p>Opponents are not always alone neither are the players. While one opponent may harass the wizard/caster, an other one will distract the big axe weilding dude trying to be a decoy. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Not counting the immense threat represented by the gnome thief playing a lute...</p><p></p><p>But I do like scrolls. They are a good way to cope and prepare spells that might not necessarily be prepared otherwise. They are versatile and why would you prepare knock when you could have a scroll with the spell on it? Scrolls should be used this way and are meant to give an extra whoompf! when needed. They are not there to be a trump that will enable counterspelling. Scroll usage is at the minimum, a variant of the use object and I am sure that the intent was to explain the existence of bonus action and reaction scrolls. Yes, while holding the scroll, I would allow the spell to be cast. But be ready to see your precious scroll be targeted because there is no way for the enemy to know that what is on the scroll is not... Fireball, Cone of cold, Disentegrate, Meteor Swarm or a Summon Terminator T-1000 spell... No one with the flicker of a brain will take that chance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8176315, member: 6855114"] At least counterspells using slots are using up potential spells that could be used for something else. Yes, you could do it with scrolls with other spells in it. But the counterspell scrolls can be saved if not needed. Not the slots. You seem to take me for an imbecile that does not know the rules. Take that out of your mind. It is not because I do not agree with holy whoknows what at Wizards that I am not aware of other potential abuses. I have played quite a few campaigns in the high levels and I know of many abuses and denounced quite a few during playtests back when 5ed was called Next... And... Attacking carried objects is not against any rules in 5ed. That rests solely in the DM's hands. It is a judgment call that is perfectly legal as long as the target can be affected by the attack. The eldritch blast cantrip can only target creatures, not objects (and a good limitations as it could attack mulitple objects at once...) The adamantine weapons can and are used to destroy opponents weapons. Such weapons deals double damage against objects...(XGtE for adamantine weapons). And as for ignoring other threat... Opponents are not always alone neither are the players. While one opponent may harass the wizard/caster, an other one will distract the big axe weilding dude trying to be a decoy. ;) Not counting the immense threat represented by the gnome thief playing a lute... But I do like scrolls. They are a good way to cope and prepare spells that might not necessarily be prepared otherwise. They are versatile and why would you prepare knock when you could have a scroll with the spell on it? Scrolls should be used this way and are meant to give an extra whoompf! when needed. They are not there to be a trump that will enable counterspelling. Scroll usage is at the minimum, a variant of the use object and I am sure that the intent was to explain the existence of bonus action and reaction scrolls. Yes, while holding the scroll, I would allow the spell to be cast. But be ready to see your precious scroll be targeted because there is no way for the enemy to know that what is on the scroll is not... Fireball, Cone of cold, Disentegrate, Meteor Swarm or a Summon Terminator T-1000 spell... No one with the flicker of a brain will take that chance. [/QUOTE]
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