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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8177832" data-attributes="member: 71699">A general rule might be inferred by considering DMG magic item parameters. SFAIK, there is no express RAW on this. Can you point to a rule that specifies that &quot;spells produced from items use formula&quot;. I believe that at best, we can each make an inference.And maybe I also misunderstand which way you fall on this? Do you mean that your putative &quot;general rule&quot; is that the user's ability modifier and proficiency bonus are used when a spell is produced or cast from an item. I don't see any evidence at all for that. Conversely, I see plentiful evidence that it should be the original caster's. One might feel that mentioning the artificer's ability modifier redundantly - under that interpretation - points the other way, but it could as well point to only using their ability modifier, and no proficiency bonus applies. The user of an SSI is producing the spell, not casting it. And again, there is no written general rule that I can find for casting a spell stored in an item, only evidence that it should use the original caster's stats.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8177832, member: 71699"] A general rule might be inferred by considering DMG magic item parameters. SFAIK, there is no express RAW on this. Can you point to a rule that specifies that "spells produced from items use [I]formula[/I]". I believe that at best, we can each make an inference. And maybe I also misunderstand which way you fall on this? Do you mean that your putative "general rule" is that the user's ability modifier and proficiency bonus are used when a spell is produced or cast from an item. I don't see any evidence at all for that. Conversely, I see plentiful evidence that it should be the original caster's. One might feel that mentioning the artificer's ability modifier redundantly - under that interpretation - points the other way, but it could as well point to [I]only[/I] using their ability modifier, and no proficiency bonus applies. The user of an SSI is producing the spell, not casting it. And again, there is no written general rule that I can find for casting a spell stored in an item, only evidence that it should use the original caster's stats. [/QUOTE]

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